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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 08:09:52 -0500
From: "Frank Jacobsen" rover1@skyhigh.com
Subject: Re: [D90] Pull-pal/N.Cal or N Nev clubs
I've used my pull-pal up in Cape Brenton, when I got stuck on a stoney
beach. It worked quite well. It' like a cross between a Danforth and a
CRQ/plow type of boat anchor. I'm quite happy with it.
Frank Jacobsen
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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 17:12:12 EST
From: MARCINKO3@aol.com
Subject: Re: [D90] Pull-pal/N.Cal or N Nev clubs
All,
I have had a Pull Pall for a number of years and use it quite often. I
would rather dig a hole than scar up a tree. I have had quite good results
with it. If you buy one, get the big one. They come in two sizes, but for
the price you can't beat it. Even if you don't use a winch, but a logging hoist,
or a High Lift Jack with straps and chains. Yes, you can just buy a tree
strop but what if there are no trees? What if you are just two feet shy of the
tree with your winch and strop? I have had better results starting the hole with
my shovel, but for the most part I am impressed and would recommend it highly.
Garvin Industries makes a mount just for the Pull Pall that will bolt to any
roof rack.
(Yes, I thought the Greek Peak demo was poor too, but I didn't need a
winch at all anywhere up there!)
Steve
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From: Jamie Austin[SMTP:jamieaustin@fsbdial.co.uk]
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2000 2:40 AM
Subject: [D90] Waffles
(for mud/sand traction) I use the waffles (as seen on David Bowyers' page: http://www.dborc.demon.co.uk/products/index.html) and they are one of the beast offroad accessories that I spent my money on. In fact all of my 'off road gang' that travel to Wales use them.they are made from the decking on oil rigs,apparently.
Much lighter than the steel sand ladders,and they flex something wild,up to the point that you turn your face away because you thing that they'll snap,but as soon as you drive off of them,they straighten. (they take the weight of a fully loaded D110.....tried it)
One side is smooth,the other is impregnated with small rough stuff,rather like bits of sand.this side goes 'upwards' and allows the tyre some grip.they are excellent.the lengths I have will fit longways across the back of a D90/D110 tub.will post pictures on my site eventually,but if anyone wants to see them in action and doesn't mind me posting them on the list then let me know.
Jamie Austin
'96 D110 Tdi
'92 D90 Tdi
'85 D90 V8i
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From: Doug Aitken[SMTP:jdaitken@earthlink.net]
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2000 12:02 PM
Subject: waffles
>Does anyone know if the plastic tracks like Jamie has are sold here (US) at
>all? I'd think they'd also serve well around a muddy camp site.
There is an almost infinite supply of this material here! Just hit
"industrial grating" on your search engine!
The very first one that came up for me was right here in Houston!:
http://www.dekwood.com/grating.htm
Here are a couple of others:
http://mall.sitesolutions.com/wwwklempgratingcom/index.html
http://www.gefinc.com/grating.html
http://www.igi.thomasregister.com/olc/igi/
Doug
'95 Red Defender 90 5-speed
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From: Dave Gaboury[SMTP:dgaboury@GreatPlains.com]
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2000 8:14 AM
Subject: [D90] FW: Trac-Mats
I have a pair of the track mats
(http://www.4xforum.co.za/Gadgets/Gadgets.html) that I bought in South
Africa. I used them once during an off road trip in Botswana. I was about
bumper deep in swampy water when the right front wheel dropped into a hole
and I got stuck. The bottom was fairly muddy. We jacked the front up with a
HiLift and placed one track mat in front and one on a rear wheel and was
able to back out. In that case the flexible track mat was very handy. We
didn't need to jack up the wheel as much to get it under - you just kind of
wrap it around the tire. Working under water and not being able to see what
you're doing would have made a regular sand ladder hard to use. (Photos of
the trip available on the Minnesota Land Rover web site -
http://www.koly.com/mlr under the adventures/past adventures section)
Since then I've taken the track mats on many trips but haven't used them. When traveling with a group it's just too easy to have someone in front or behind winch you out.
(Andrew Howton added that used sonwmobile tracks work similarly well if you are in an area where you can obtain them, eh? )Dave Gaboury
1995 Land Rover NAS Defender 90 #SW027/500
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From: Alan Dobbs[SMTP:gulfcmt@flash.net]
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 9:33 AM
Subject: RE: [D90] sand recovery (was sand ladders vs trac mats)
Us being from Houston and near the Gulf coast we have had our share of getting stuck in the sand. Some old timers have taught us for sand like at the beach a shovel and a 5 gallon bucket is all that is needed a majority of the time. When stuck dig out the rut and undercarriage and to make sure the frame is not in the sand then walk with the bucket and get some water and pour all around the vehicle especially the area where the tires will make contact while getting out. It may take several trips with water but when water makes contact with the dry sand it hardens up and makes it like concrete. This is why it is so easy to drive along the beach on a low tide because the ground is wet and compacted. A hi-lift also aids in the recovery because the wheels can be lifted and then sat back down on the wet sand after pouring water around & under the tires.
Alan Dobbs
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From: Noel Dancy[SMTP:noeldancy@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2000 2:52 AM
Subject: [D90] Desert Driving
When we go into the desert I take the high lift, lengths of "rush matting", and KERR (Kinetic Energy Recovery Rope). A couple of the trucks have winches, but they are rarely used. You are correct in thinking that most "stucks" happen in short stretches of soft sand. Standard practice is to hook up with the KERR and snatch them out. Applying a steady pull results in two stuck vehicles, connected by a rope as tight as a bowstring!
2nd resort, try rocking the vehicle from side to side, this lifts the wheels and allows sand to run back underneath. This is a quick fix and if it doesn't work use the highlift. Once you have sand back under the wheels, and the frame rails clear you can usually drive off. If it's really soft use the matting, or traction aid of your choice. The KERR and a snatch pull is favourite as vehicles tend to get stuck either in very soft sand with zero traction, or on a slope. Even if you get them onto the surface as soon as they try to move off they dig in again. A snatch pull gets you clear of the area.
Remember we're talking about travelling from point A to B, you don't want to spend too long at each stuck. The winches are usually only used if somebody gets stuck in a "bowl", too long to describe! Don't use "dead" ropes as they do not have enough give, I've seen a tow hook go through a windscreen. The guys trousers were not a pretty site!
Noel D.
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From: Jamie Austin[SMTP:jamieaustin@fsbdial.co.uk]
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 11:09 AM
Subject: [D90] Part numbers
As promised,here are the part numbers for the JATE rings:
RRC 3237 Lifting & Lashing ring (JATE) x4
BH110281L Bolt x4
WC110061L Spacer x2 (Only needed on the front ones)
NY110041L Nut x4
(The JATE rings will fit 90,110,130,range rover (Old ones) and Discovery)
Jamie Austin
'96 D110 Tdi
'92 D90 Tdi
'85 D90 V8i