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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 16:47:06 -0400
From: "Dirk Tischer" dirk@rust.net
Subject: [none]
If you have the option, get a Warn 8274. It's an 8000 rather than 9000 lb
winch, but you will never notice the difference. It also will pull longer,
before over heating and stopping then the x9000 or the superwinch x9.
Don't know about the Ramsey Platinum. It supposedly has a very high hp
motor, but the line speed is not that good, especially for its claimed gear
ratio. The 8274 is an older design, but it is easilly servicible and runs
cooler, because of the design (motor stands clear) and the higher
efficiency of a spur gear. Also the gears sit in 6 oz of oil rather than a
tube of gel. If its going to see hard use, avoid the planetary gear
winches as the gears are not as strong and are more aimed at occasional use
than either a spur gear or worm gear set up.
Worm gear winches, like husky or ramsey RE series are good and strong but
are slow in the unloaded line speed department. Unloaded line speed is
nice when with other vehicles or when trying to drive and winch at the same
time. The spur gear winches, like the warn 8274 (with 52 + ft) really are
the best of both worlds. Faster then the worm or planetary gear winches,
and heavy duty to boot.
The downside is they are heavier and they block more of the radiator, but
no more then a pair of lights mounted on your bumper would.
Dirk Tischer
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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 17:28:23 EDT
From: MARCINKO3@aol.com
Subject: Re: [D90] RE Which Winch
>If you have the option, get a Warn 8274. It's an 8000 rather than 9000
>LB winch, but you will never notice the difference. It also will pull
>longer, before over heating and stopping then the x9000 or the superwinch x9.
Eh, what? The 8274 is an 8000lb winch. Warn makes good winches, and if you
get one the 8274(50) is the best choice, but the Superwinch is a much better
value. The X9000 has a cut out at around 13,000lbs The Warn is rated at 8000
and that pretty much means 8000. Don't get me wrong, it is a good winch, but
like the old dude told Indiana Jones, "Choose wisely." The Superwinch has
ball bearings in its gear wheels where the Warn doesn't even have washers.
Yes, the 8274-50 has a very fast line speed, but as Bill Burke once said,
stuck is stuck, and you ain't going anywhere anyway. I would advise anyone
to get the less expensive and more capable Superwinch.
Steve
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From: farvin[SMTP:farvin@gwu.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 5:44 AM
Subject: RE: [D90] Winch question
>What are some of the advantages/disadvantages of the X9 compared to the the
>Huskys? Do they both have more or less the same line speed. By off angle, I
>mean 30 degrees. Are roller fairleads important for these angles?
I've seen the Huskys, X9 and S9000 all do some ridiculous pulls and all will
work great and get you extracted right off the bat 99% of the time. Frank M.
knows what he's talking about in describing the soundness of the worm drive
(ala Husky) but IMHO that soundness is rarely necessary. Then again, many of
us do rarely imaginable things. In any event, I have a S9000 with a roller
fairlead and have been very happy with it. The fairlead has been put to good
use when pulling at strange angles, and I would personally recommend it. Just
make sure the mount you use for the fairlead is up to the task. Whenever the
S9000 has shown strain, the use of a pully block has quickly done the job
every time. Two other plugs: I think the S9000 looks pretty cool (for
whatever that's worth) and Superwinch customer service has been great to me.
Cheers, TB
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From: koly[SMTP:koly@koly.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2000 10:18 PM
Subject: [D90] Re: warn bumper
I've got an ARB which I put an 8274-50 on it. you have to put in 2 spacers
to put the winch back one inch and cut out a couple small sections of the
plastic grill, but otherwise, it fits perfectly. I've heard the ARB doesnt'
have the approach angle that the Rockware does, but, I still think it's a
great bumper, and the 8274 fits nicely.
rover on...
Bob K.
'95 D90 #2721
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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 20:53:49 EDT
From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Subject: Re: [D90] Low Profile Winch
>Is the low profile winch offered by Roversnorth a good
>investment? I don't intend to be stuck for eight hours ever again.
In a word, "no".
Ask any* 110 owner with the Factory Option/Low Profile Winch, and they'll
tell you it stinks like a lumpy fart. (110s had the Warn M8000 as opposed to
RN's 9000, but that's irrelevent to the terrible mount)
*well, ok, not *any owner*, just those who've actually had to use it/rely on
it, as opposed to use it to nudge shopping carts out of the way at the
supermarket. It works well for nudging shopping carts, but is far from a
good place to mount a winch. Some who use it for shopping carts probably won't
use the term "lumpy fart" so you know what they use their truck for ;-) hehehe.
If you're in a situation that you really need to rely on a winch, the last
thing you need to worry about is lumpy farts, so don't mount the winch like
that and you'll be fine ;-) Your passenger will also appreciate the fresh
outdoors air more.
My truck is currently winchless since I'd rather wait and mount one properly
than put the winch back under there after cleaning & greasing it.
YMMV (I'm sure someone, somewhere, will just rave about it)
- --pat
With Clean Drawers now that I got rid of that terrible idea of a winch
mount.
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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 18:28:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Rosenbaum rosenbau@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: [D90] Low Profile Winch
> Is the low profile winch offered by Roversnorth a good investment? I
> don't intend to be stuck for eight hours ever again.
Ben,
I'm not familiar with the RN set-up. I got the LR optional winch with my
'94 D90 (only way to afford accessories at that time was to include them
in the auto loan). It's a Warn m8000 and sits behind/below the front
bumper with a non-roller hause opening: very low profile.
It has worked well for me, but has significant limitations for serious
off-pavement 4-wheeling. The transmission lever is a little difficult to
get to when conditions are good and would be terrible if the front end
were in deep enough water or muck. Also, the power of the LR set up was
criticized in a review by 4-Wheeler in '94: they suspected that it was not
wired efficiently, resulting is less than its rated power.
I've had good luck pulling autos back onto pavement, getting my tractors
unstuck (Farmall Cubs: so not a big deal), moving stuff around out back,
and pulling other 4WDs out of uncomplicated 'stucks' on 4WD trails.
A little more power and more accessible mounting are preferable if the
winch is something that you intend to use often.
Best wishes,
Dave Rosenbaum
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From: Doug Aitken[SMTP:jdaitken@earthlink.net]
Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2000 7:24 PM
Subject: Re: [D90] Winch and Battery Disconnects
At 11:50 AM 1/8/00 , Craig wrote:
>................... Jeff
>tells me they are Hella, and are rated at 1000 watts
>intermittent duty and 50 amps continuous duty,
>and that they recommend that winch owners "bump" their
>winches, which protects the disconnect (and the winch.)
Well: according to West Marine, the Hella is rated 500 watts @12V for 10 seconds, 100 amps continuous. So whatever you want to do with your winch ("bump"???), for get about this POS for a disconnect......
>Wrangler Power Products sells a beefier looking disconnect, also more
>expensive, that is rated at 250 amps continuous duty (still not enough for a
>450+ amp winch draw, but better) but only 360 amp intermittent duty. Which
>makes me think maybe Hella is inflating their 1000 amp intermittant figure -
>or that the duration of "intermittant" is different.
West Marine sell the Blue Seas battery switch, rated for 300A continuous, 400A for 5 minutes. This might be possible for normal winch usage....... It costs ~$31 for simple on-off, ~$33 for off/1/both/2 (twin battery selector type). Looks like a bargain!
Even better, they have 2 Perko rotary switches:
off/1/all/2 380A continuous, 850A intermittent. West no 371872, cost $83.99
off/on 450A continuous, 1200A intermittent. West no 191926, cost $99.99
This is the "real deal" ;~)
>A third alternative (discussed on the list) is to use the quick-disconnect
>battery cable thing with male-female plugs, and just leave the winch
>un-connected until it's needed, but having those big old things flopping
>around is obviously less elegant and harder to use than a switch (although
>obviously better than a switch that melts during hard winching.)
But it will be interesting to pull the plug with 400 amps going through 'em! Anyone for low-voltage welding??? ;~)
>And, I guess I could just forget about the disconnect, assuming I take the
>time to carefully route and grommet the (new 00 welding-cable) winch cables.
I have seen a total melt-down caused by a failed relay box in a Husky...... But if you want to take the (very small) risk, go for it! (I like the Perko switch myself!)
Doug
'95 Red Defender 90 5-speed
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From: Clarke Williams[SMTP:clarkewilliams@halcyon.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2000 8:56 PM
Subject: Re: [D90] Winch and Battery Disconnects
Doug et al,
Ample Power carries some 500 amp continuous switches. They are not cheap at $139.00 each but they are rated for a full 500 amps continuous.
Check out: http://www.amplepower.com/products/switches/index.html
Clarke
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From: Michael Azzariti[SMTP:efxguy@earthlink.net]
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2000 7:42 AM
Subject: [D90] RE: winch and battery disconnects
Just a side note to this thread. Since I used 00 gauge welding cable, I used welding connectors as my disconnect. The trade name is "Tweeco" connectors. Very positive, no current drop, simple to connect and disconnect. To protect the live end of the connection when not in use, I simply took an other male connector with out a wire in it and used it as a cap for the plug. I've never had a problem with these either welding or when they were used as the industry standard for rock and roll lighting.
Not a simple as turning a switch maybe, but never a chance of a meltdown either.
My .02 worth,
Michael
94 D90
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From: Clarke Williams[SMTP:clarkewilliams@halcyon.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 29, 2000 2:36 PM
Subject: RE: [D90] winch wiring question
>> Those of you that are using welding wire, what gauge do you use? (00, 02, ...?)
>> Also, how many feet? (I was thinking something like 2 lengths ~12 feet
>> is that about right, or am I way off?)
I'd suggest 2/0 size. From careful measurements by Jeff Gauvin, the cables should be 14 feet long (that's how long I'm making his).
As Dave suggests, if you are using typical "welding" cable or PVC insulated cable, shield it from heat. The wire I use is rated at 150C continuous, so this is less of an issue.
Use rubber lined clamps about every 18" to secure the wire along its route. Use a grommet or gland-type bulkhead seal to protect the wire going into the battery box. Use the best crimp-on lugs you can find. Seal the ends with waterproof heatshrink.
Clarke
P.S. You might re-use the little 6 foot piece of 2 gauge wire supplied to the winch to upgrade the short lengths between the winch control box and the motor. Remember to waterproof them, too.
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From: Jamie[SMTP:jamie.austin@austingroup.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 3:55 PM
Subject: [D90] Winch spares list
anyone with a Ramsey or Superwinch may find some usefull info at this
site.....
http://www.uswinch.com/PartsList.asp
Jamie
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From: Gomes, David
Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 10:50 AM
Subject: [D90] Warn Winch Spares
Went to check out Art V.'s link on fender flares and found this on the site:
http://www.4allfours.co.uk/partinfo.htm
Spares catalogs for Warn Winches.
-Dave G.
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From: dirk[SMTP:dirk@rust.net]
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 8:06 AM
Subject: [D90] Re: Warn Winch Motor
You can buy the higher horsepower warn motor (4.6hp) for around $250-300.
If you do, I've heard it is good to order the heat sink that goes with the
new 9500 winch. Just a bunch of fins but it will fit with the new motor on
most warn winches (call to make sure). I was told it will work fine with
the 8274.
I'm tempted just to order the higher speed motor and use my original as a
backup to get more line speed.
Dirk
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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 19:06:51 EDT
From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Subject: Re: [D90] Warn winch cleaning
(extraneous mat'l deleted - ed.)
I took apart my Warn M8000 a few days ago and found it just packed full of
mud and sand. The engage/disengage lever was stuck (due to the sleeve inside
not being able to move) and the gearbox had more sand than grease in it.
I was surprised by the amount, or lack of, lubrication that was in the winch
to begin with. Whatever winch I get next, I will open up and lube myself,
just so I know what's in there. I never opened up the warn winch due to a
fear of messing it up due to no knowledge of it, but when I did finally get
in there, I saw it was all really simple and basic. If I do go with a
similar
Warn, I'll know that I can open it up at the campfire at night and have it
cleaned and back together by the time the coffee's done.
pat.
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From: Brian Bonner[SMTP:enigma90@mindspring.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 12:16 PM
Subject: [D90] winch maintenence
Just got off the phone with Superwinch. They said yes the screw on top of
the motor. open it up and put a couple of drops of 3 in 1 oil while turning
the motor by hand(spool it out). They also said if you don't use it all the
time to spool it out a little and winch it back in every couple of weeks. I
am sure this applies to all winches.
BTW mine would not work. I could hear the selenoids clicking and the
alternator kick in but nothing would happen. So I took a piece of wood and
tapped on the motor while trying to out motor the line and it kicked in.
Just for information incase it happens to you.