Front Recovery Points

[loykd]

I couldnt find it using the "excellent" search feature of the BB (:grin)... I was trying to find the front bumper shackle that mounts with a single bolt and pivots on that bolt. I think CVC has one.

I know they're inherently not as strong as a four-bolt or welded install, but if you put a backer plate behind it, is that "strong enough" for most applications? I mean I'm not hanging the truck from under a helicopter or anything...

[Troys]

Ken;

Are you looking for the type on my front bumper? If so they are manufacturered by Actek. I forget who I purchased mine from but I can find out. They make them in several different materials. I have a catalog with all their products.

Troy

[javelinadave]

Ken,
I just sent you mail.......Dave

[loykd]

The Actek site (www.actekmfg.com) shows one made in Aircraft Quality 4140 and Stainless. For a 5/8" bolt, 4140 has a 4000# load rating and SS has a 2000# load rating.
What would you think to be the appropriate requirement for a recovery point?

[Troys]

Ken;

I considered the stainless versions myself. The cost was a bit unreasonable I thought. They make a few different finishes. I went with the standard black. If you do decide to go with the stainless I would get the 4140. The last thing you want is to be out winching and have the thing let go. Then you'll be wishing you had spent the extra coin. I will check and see what size I used as well. I will try and get to my shop tonight and find out for you.

Troy

[rover4x4]

I think the jate rings are also an excellent alternative

[Buckon37s]

I have the military grade ones that I think you are talking about. I would be willing to sell them if anybody is interested. If so, let me know and I will put them in for sale with a picture.

[Mike Hippert]

Ken have you seen these (https://www.expeditionexchange.com/smb/) ? they are rated at 3 tons.

[Craigd]

If the vehicle weighs around 3,500lbs than I would think 2,000lbs is way to lite and 4,000lbs is pushing it also... I wouldn't want to be standing anywhere near a truck that was being pulled out with that lite of a recovery point. Aren't the warn shackles that fit in the hitch receiver about 8,000lbs????

[Mike Hippert]

Ken If you are staying with actekmfg (http://www.actekmfg.com) then I would suggest these (http://www.actekmfg.com/swivelhr.htm) as they are rated Higer with smaller bolts. I think the 8,000 or 10,000 should be good with a good backing plate.

Ken any Idea of the cost of those things? I was thinking of getting some of these (https://www.expeditionexchange.com/dixonbate/) .

[loykd]

I suppose this ends up being an engineering question. It certainly seems to simple-minded me that four (albeit smaller) bolts for the SMB would be much stronger than the single (larger) bolt for the shackle I showed. And if you're talking about welded on shackle mounts as Rockware does... well, you're well out of my league there. Would one consider a welded bracket to be that much stronger than a bolted bracket?

And more importantly, how much is enough?

As for you Mike, you always seem to find 'em bigger and better. That's a beefy mount! Put one of those jaws on the front of your truck and you'll be ready to pull down a barn! :grin. Kidding aside, the weakest point would be the same as the SMBs, at the 4 mounting bolts. Next of course would be where the bumper attaches to the frame. I'm not so sure I'd like to see you replay the scene in American Graffiti where the cop car drives out of the lot and leaves the axle behind. :)

[Glenn_Guinto]

Ken, is this what you're looking for?

Swivel Eye (http://www.4x4ag.com/products_lr_recovery.htm)

[loykd]

Glenn, THAT'S what I remember us talking about! Thanks. Now I'm curious on the tensile strength of that 18mm high grade anodized steel bolt...

[JohnC]

Ken, it's rated at 15 ton.

[Mike Hippert]

Just poking around the actekmfg (http://www.actekmfg.com/) website and I found out there stuff is rated 5 to1 so If it is rated for 2,000 lbs it is meant to handle 10,000 lbs.

[loykd]

Giampaulo, where do you get that number? I was looking at bolt specs and nothing looked that strong. Certainly not doubting you, just trying to understand.

Are the Scorpion swivels the same as the ones on the actek site? anyone know?

[JohnC]

Correction: 50 ton (UK) is the equivalent to 33,600 lbs (US). Sorry for the mixup. I got the information directly from Scorpion.

As far as I know they are not the same as Actek.

John

[Mike Hippert]

1 ton UK = 2204.62 lbs so 50 tons UK = 110,231 lbs. THat does not sound right.

[JohnC]

You are right Michael, for some reason I said it was 50 tons when it is only 15 tons. Sorry about that.

Sorry guys!

[Mike Hippert]

AHHH, thats makes sence. I bet it is not 5x rated like the Acteks.

[flippedrover]

Call Steve at Rovertym and see what ones he uses on his bumpers. My 2 pennies

[J4hand]

Hello All

I need ideas on front recovery points. I don't have a bull bar or winch, yet. I do have JATE rings for the front, but I recently removed them to fit a skid plate, which uses those mounting points. Are there any other options on front recovery with the stock bumper while leaving the skid plate attached?

[Cyborg]

Hey James, Here is a link to a product sold at Expedition Exchnge. These recovery hooks mount to the fram rather than a bumper. These may work for you but they may require some drilling to mount. Scroll down the whole page. It has pictures of them mounted. May be your answer.

https://www.expeditionexchange.com/curt/


Larry

[Mike Hippert]

I'm with Larry, Check out EEs site they have plenty of different types of recovery points, we also have a post going on sort of on this subject.

Thread Merged

[wicks]

Go for the Dixon-Bates. Proper LR equipment, worth the extra change.

[rover4x4]

I 2nd Wicks comment

[mattdh]

james are you interested in selling your jate rings?if so let me know

[Eric Siepmann]

Dixon Bates are great. But you'd need a stouter bumper to mount them on (Stock would not be a good choice). The CT bumper with a Husky 10 is a very sexy choice. See Wicks' Avitar.

I currently have tow hooks mounted to the frame. My SouthDown prevents Jate rings as well. They work well. But I'd rather have the Dixon Bates or shackles mounted to a stronger front bumper.

EwS

[Cyborg]

Yes those Dixon Bates are bad-ass but would you want to mount those onto a stock bumper? I think he is looking for an option that is not bumper mounted. Can the DBs be mounted on the frame or??

Larry:confused

[wicks]

Oh, my bad. Assumed HD bumper.

[Eric Siepmann]

The 5.0 ton can be mounted to the rear cross member. Also very bad-ass....

EwS

[mikeslandrover]

What about Drings? They mount above the bumper and use the bumper mounting boltd that go through the chassis and an additional two bolts through the actual bumper.:cool:

[JohnC]

James,

Scorpion Racing has some brackets that attach to the frame on the D90s (http://www.scorpionracing.co.uk/Products%20images/Catagories/Offroad/recovery/swivel_recovery_eye_bracket.jpg).

Just a thought.

[mikeslandrover]

The Scorpion Racing recovery points are really good because they can swivel as a winch cable takes up the strain. They're a very neat recovery point.
I wish more people would fit decent recovery points BEFORE they go off roading and get very stuck. it makes recovery sooo much safer and easier.
That's me in the top left corner of the photo wondering exactly how to extract this LR from it's watery grave with B@$%^*- all at the back to hook a rope onto:(

[RPR]

D-rings are galvanized, cheap and easy....

[loykd]

For someone with this bumper, what's the bolt diameter on the front recovery point?

[chrisvonc]

Ken, sorry I didn't get back to your 2nd email yet, so I will post some things here.

Swivel D-rings, also called Swivel Hoist Rings, here are the ones that Granger sells:
The 10K - http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/productdetail.jsp?xi=xi&ItemId=1611591655&ccitem=
The 5K - http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/productdetail.jsp?xi=xi&ItemId=1611716342&ccitem=

I can never remember the vendor that Safari Gard used for theirs so hopefully someone else can post that link.

The measurements from mine are here in this picture below. (keep in mind the picture used is one of the Granger models and not my actual model).

[loykd]

CVC, Thanks for the info. I figured you were busy with other stuff. I appreciate your taking the measurements for me.

[JohnC]

Ken, I sent you an email a few days ago but I have not received a response so I thought I would post it here on this BBS.

I sent the Scorpion Racing swivel recovery shackle to Lee at Rockware to see if it would be possible to install it on the bumper they are making for you. Lee said it would not be possible because they were using square tubing and it would not fit. They would have to make a large hole on the backside to insert the shackle from the back and then weld it shut.... not a good idea.

I am having UPS pickup the shackle. Sorry that it didn't work out.

BTW, the shackle fits a bit loose on an ARB bumper because the ARB is not as thick as the Scorpion Racing bumpers.

Just thought I'd let you and other folks know...

Thanks,

John C.

[Mike Hippert]

Kens on the road from time to time so if you don't get a reply right away he is most likely just traveling.

But some good info.

[Art Vigil]

John,
FWIW,
I'll be down at Rockware next week (the 13th) if there is anything I can do to help, (?) just let me know.

Regards,

[loykd]

John, Sorry for not answering your email last week. I spoke with Matt at RW about the install, and you got it right. It seems that the Scorpion shackles work better for flat plate installs than for square tubes. I really appreciate your going through the effort.

Also, thanks to all for the thoughts on the swivel hoist eyes too. Sad to say, that even after all that discussion, I decided to go with the stock mounts. It was mostly for lack of time to do more research and ordering. Not too tough to mod it later, though, if I run out of other mods to do.

With some luck, I'll have the bumper installed for the GWNF trip. Art, I hope you DON'T see my bumper there next week because it'll be on a truck headed east! EAGER!

Thanks again, John, and sorry for no replying by email earlier.

[chrisvonc]

FYI - Multiple threads on this topic have now been merged together.

[cgalpin]

Hey all

I read this thread, but still don't have a clear answer to what's a strong enough (yet affordable) solution to a front recovery point on a d90 with a stock bumber and brush bar.

It has vertical mounting holes on the frame that the bumper/brsuh guard mount to, but the bolts are puny. There are horizontal holes with a tube inside on the bottom of the front frame railes - could I attach big D rings to that - those hles are a bit small too? Or am I supposed to drill holes in the frame for one of those meat hooks?

thanks
charles

[rr1]

This is an old thread, but I was hoping to revive it and get an answer on what type of front recovery point I can set up with a stock bumper. I don't need it on the bumper per say, but what can I attach to the front frame, bumper, etc. to serve as a decent recovery point? Thanks in advance.

[cgalpin]

I ended up getting jate rings until I added a front skid which then required removing them (but I had a rockware bumper with recovery points by that time). They mount directly to the frame horns.

[mikeslandrover]

I've got Jate rings, plenty strong enough unless you go for it with a KER rope. A bridle between the two adds peace of mind though.

[mjekogian]

i have a set of Jate rings I will be selling now that I have the ARB bumper since they wont fit now. they are in great shape.

[hamiamham]

i got my jate rings from dap-inc.com at a very reasonable price. there is a spot on the frame where they fit into. only suggestion i have it to have a long bridle - say 6+ feet - from each and then attach the two ends to whatever you are using for a tow rope.