Another one bites the dust......

[Willh]

http://savannahnow.com/node/722584


Will H.

[sherpamike]

Oh no.... that's terrible...

[Willh]

Yeah, a friend of mine from Savannah called and told me it was in the paper down there the other day. I'm not sure who's it was...I thought I knew most everyone down there.

Will H.

[waveridin1959]

Those blasted oil cooler lines. If that is indeed the oil trail behind the truck.

[evilfij]

Hey, its white, if it is a 1995 I would be interested in buying it as is.

[ECR]

Hey, its white, if it is a 1995 I would be interested in buying it as is.

Don't be a vulture DB!

What if the guy was on this list and was traumatized or something... jeezuz

[Campbell]

Do you think oil cooler lines just burst??? I mean if you check them from time to time and don't notice any leaks from the right side. I would think you would have some warning that it is time to replace them.

[LRNAD90]

Do you think oil cooler lines just burst??? I mean if you check them from time to time and don't notice any leaks from the right side. I would think you would have some warning that it is time to replace them.

Yes, based on many, many past threads on this board and elsewhere. Usually they get just a little pinhole type failure, and spray oil (under pressure) onto the neighboring red hot exhaust manifold, which ignites the oil. It doesn't need to be much to get the fire going, then there are plenty of other combustibles available to feed the fire.

ECR (http://www.eastcoastrover.com/110oillines.html) and others have been warning of this for years now...

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Wow Mike, the new Car-B-Que photo got added to your page fast..

[rover4x4]

Ive done the oil cooler lines on both my trucks with the Genuine Parts, I cringe every time I see this. It might be time to just do the SS braided hoses...

[ECR]

Wow Mike, the new Car-B-Que photo got added to your page fast..

Yupper... it was an impressive picture. It was emailed to me this morning and went straight up.
The more I can let people know that this is a real concern and that they should address it somehow the better. I think too many people are putting it off personally, and then the non-hobbyists don't even know that it is an issue.
Doesn't matter to me how folks fix it, just FIX IT!!!!


:) :)

[Hans]

Or you can also just ditch the cooler totally, which is a free option. You just need to remove the sandwich plate and lines, then put the filter back on.

-Hans

[ECR]

Or you can also just ditch the cooler totally, which is a free option. You just need to remove the sandwich plate and lines, then put the filter back on.

-Hans

Agreed... folks just need to do "something"! :) :)

[mpsteil]

Mike, on a 97 that never sees the trails would you just delete the cooler or keep it and go SS?

[ECR]

Mike, on a 97 that never sees the trails would you just delete the cooler or keep it and go SS?

97s are a little different. They do not have the easy to remove lines like the 93-95. The line outlets are made into the timing cover. You'd need special plugs and I do not know the oil flow dynamics of the GEMS timing cover, so the oil lines in a 1997 might be needed. I never explored removing them.

Mike, can you email me the pix of NAS 110 #24 again. I like to keep that NAS 110 stuff on file here.

[Tyler Wirken]

I am rebuilding my 1997 90 into a 110 and am contemplating putting in an aluminum radiator and then adding an external oil cooler. I have already years ago converted the truck to an R380 so I have the grill cut out and space for an oil cooler where the tranny cooler used to be.

So I would assume if I were to do this I would just need to buy the ECR bits for a 1997 and then make some SS braided lines longer to mount to an external oil cooler. I know it is not that easy but seems like a good idea to get the oil cooler off of the radiator. Any thoughts?

Thanks for posting this. It has really made me re-think this problem.

Thanks to Mike at ECR for offering up so much info!

Tyler

[evilfij]

Don't be a vulture DB!

What if the guy was on this list and was traumatized or something... jeezuz

;)

I think me asking to buy it is not a traumatic as seeing it go up in flames from neglect/bad luck. :eek:

A cheap <96 D90 donor with title in white would be of some use to me.

Ron

[ECR]

;)

I think me asking to buy it is not a traumatic as seeing it go up in flames from neglect/bad luck. :eek:

A cheap <96 D90 donor with title in white would be of some use to me.

Ron


Still sounds like the guy who asks for the wife's phone number at the husband's funeral to me. :)

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I am rebuilding my 1997 90 into a 110 and am contemplating putting in an aluminum radiator and then adding an external oil cooler. I have already years ago converted the truck to an R380 so I have the grill cut out and space for an oil cooler where the tranny cooler used to be.

So I would assume if I were to do this I would just need to buy the ECR bits for a 1997 and then make some SS braided lines longer to mount to an external oil cooler. I know it is not that easy but seems like a good idea to get the oil cooler off of the radiator. Any thoughts?

Thanks for posting this. It has really made me re-think this problem.

Thanks to Mike at ECR for offering up so much info!

Tyler


If you need to really cool the oil that sounds like a fine idea. Use the adapters to 8AN on the timing cover and then you can run a larger oil cooler from any speed shop, mounted wherever you want it. :grin

[Tyler Wirken]

Still sounds like the guy who asks for the wife's phone number at the husband's funeral to me. :)

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If you need to really cool the oil that sounds like a fine idea. Use the adapters to 8AN on the timing cover and then you can run a larger oil cooler from any speed shop, mounted wherever you want it. :grin
Are the adapters to 8AN you speak of the ones that you sell on your site? I am trying to learn all the parts etc...

Cool. Thanks for the info. Actually I am not interested in cooling the oil more I am interested in getting the motor to run cooler especially on the highway. With a bumper, winch, and Hella's with the AC on I have always had trouble keeping it cool. I bought that radiator years ago before I knew what was up and did not pay attention that it did not have provisions for the oil cooler. Thus the thought of mounting an external one.

Thanks for the info.

I really appreciate it.

My buddies 90 caught on fire a few years ago and was a total loss. However it was a fuel related issue I think. Do not want that to happen!

Tyler

[evilfij]

It is not like I internet found out where the guy lived and called him at home.

:)

[JimC]

From the article:

"It was unknown Wednesday night what sparked the fire or who owned the vehicle."

The journalist is inexcusably uninformed about d-90's.

[oilburner]

raspy voiced Ron from the LR Mafia dropping calls to grieving LR owners :grin

[LRNAD90]

I am rebuilding my 1997 90 into a 110 and am contemplating putting in an aluminum radiator and then adding an external oil cooler. I have already years ago converted the truck to an R380 so I have the grill cut out and space for an oil cooler where the tranny cooler used to be.

So I would assume if I were to do this I would just need to buy the ECR bits for a 1997 and then make some SS braided lines longer to mount to an external oil cooler. I know it is not that easy but seems like a good idea to get the oil cooler off of the radiator. Any thoughts?

Thanks for posting this. It has really made me re-think this problem.

Thanks to Mike at ECR for offering up so much info!

Tyler

Why not use the original auto transmission cooler (or still use it for the R380, like a stock Discovery set-up)? I was actually thinking of using one instead of the radiator mounted oil cooler, as I figured its efficiency would be higher. if your not using, and want to get rid of, the cooler and mounting hardware, let me know..

[Tyler Wirken]

Why not use the original auto transmission cooler (or still use it for the R380, like a stock Discovery set-up)? I was actually thinking of using one instead of the radiator mounted oil cooler, as I figured its efficiency would be higher. if your not using, and want to get rid of, the cooler and mounting hardware, let me know..I would but the cooler was damaged. One of the mounting fins was broken somehow and it did not mount so well. I am not even sure if i have it still.

I might have used some of the hardware when I was doing the R380 conversion. My buddy wanted an auto so swapped parts.

[Campbell]

Just ordered the trail4x4 braided. That picture made me do it. How hard is a DIY job is this on a 97?

[evilfij]

raspy voiced Ron from the LR Mafia dropping calls to grieving LR owners :grin

$5k, as she sits, you won't even have to see the body loaded on the trailer.

:)

[ECR]

Just ordered the trail4x4 braided. That picture made me do it. How hard is a DIY job is this on a 97?

Dang... missed that sale. :(

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$5k, as she sits, you won't even have to see the body loaded on the trailer.

:)

Ron says in mafia voice: " Don't worry lady, I'll take of everything..."
:)

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Are the adapters to 8AN you speak of the ones that you sell on your site? I am trying to learn all the parts etc...

Tyler

Yup, those plug into your GEMS motor and then you can run any 8AN fitting to any aftermarket oil cooler you like that has AN fittings on it.
That is why we developed our set up based on AN fittings, so that you can use the adapters for all kinds of stuff, not just our lines.
:)

[waveridin1959]

Do you think oil cooler lines just burst??? I mean if you check them from time to time and don't notice any leaks from the right side. I would think you would have some warning that it is time to replace them.

I had mine burst. I had changed my oil a few days before so that is the only reason why i think my truck didnt go up in flames. The entire manifold was covered in oil. I had bought spares before I hadnt put on yet. I need to replace with braided!

[Tyler Wirken]

Dang... missed that sale. :(

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Ron says in mafia voice: " Don't worry lady, I'll take of everything..."
:)

Follow-up Post:



Yup, those plug into your GEMS motor and then you can run any 8AN fitting to any aftermarket oil cooler you like that has AN fittings on it.
That is why we developed our set up based on AN fittings, so that you can use the adapters for all kinds of stuff, not just our lines.
:)Thanks!

[JSBriggs]

From the article:

"It was unknown Wednesday night what sparked the fire or who owned the vehicle."

The urinalist is inexcusably uninformed about d-90's.

Fixed it for you.

-Jeff

edit: I had my tranny cooler lines burst on my RRC. Fortunately it was only a mile or so from home, so the engine wasn't up to full temp. One hell of a smoke show though.

[shawnpalmer]

I didn't read anywhere that the car was burned up because of an engine fire, although it probably was. Where was the owner? Did he just run off into the woods when the car caught on fire? Sounds like it could have been lit on fire by somebody if the owner was not there.
If it caught on fire while driving, the owner probably would have said so in the article.

[mpsteil]

Mike, I can email you a link to the pics but i have so many I think it would take forever to send. PM an email address that you want me to send the link to.97s are a little different. They do not have the easy to remove lines like the 93-95. The line outlets are made into the timing cover. You'd need special plugs and I do not know the oil flow dynamics of the GEMS timing cover, so the oil lines in a 1997 might be needed. I never explored removing them.

Mike, can you email me the pix of NAS 110 #24 again. I like to keep that NAS 110 stuff on file here.

[LRover]

if for some reason you want to keep it stock, buy the fuel line insulated covers that are on the fuel lines (that are over top of the exhaust manifold BTW) and slip them over the new stock lines when you install. They will protect the lines and if a leak ever does develop it will be contained by the cover and not spray on the manifold.

[ECR]

I didn't read anywhere that the car was burned up because of an engine fire, although it probably was.

It was the oil lines. You can see the tell-tale trail of oil leading to the RH front area of the truck that was dropped while the truck was in motion. See the other images of burnt 90s and 110s on the ECR site. It all starts with the oil cooler lines.

[JRW]

if for some reason you want to keep it stock, buy the fuel line insulated covers that are on the fuel lines (that are over top of the exhaust manifold BTW) and slip them over the new stock lines when you install. They will protect the lines and if a leak ever does develop it will be contained by the cover and not spray on the manifold.
Just a thought, but wouldn't the insulated cover have failed before the oil line failed? I guess you could use the insulated covers like a sacrificial anode...
Still seems better to replace with SS lines.

[paulb]

So - just how many trucks have caught on fire, plus how many have had actual oil sprays from line cracks? With what, 15k defenders in the US, it sound like most have had this issue (me included see below). I assume this design has been banned in the industry or are present day Defenders in the UK blowing up every day?

When my oil line burst I was entering the freeway, truck smoked like crazy and I pulled off. Oil every where and I has an 1/8 inch split and it shot out oil every where. Pure luck it did not ignite but I had only drive 3 miles from home so no hot manafold I guess. Oil lines were original as far as I can tell so 12+ ys old. I replaced all the pipes and the oil line but with non braided lines (I know, I know) but how long should the oil line last? 3,5,7 years?

[mpsteil]

I always am thinking the same thing about the 110's. How many of the 525 or so are left between fires and corrosion?So - just how many trucks have caught on fire, plus how many have had actual oil sprays from line cracks? With what, 15k defenders in the US, it sound like most have had this issue (me included see below). I assume this design has been banned in the industry or are present day Defenders in the UK blowing up every day?

When my oil line burst I was entering the freeway, truck smoked like crazy and I pulled off. Oil every where and I has an 1/8 inch split and it shot out oil every where. Pure luck it did not ignite but I had only drive 3 miles from home so no hot manafold I guess. Oil lines were original as far as I can tell so 12+ ys old. I replaced all the pipes and the oil line but with non braided lines (I know, I know) but how long should the oil line last? 3,5,7 years?

[cgalpin]

Still sounds like the guy who asks for the wife's phone number at the husband's funeral to me. :)
LOL. Agreed!
It is not like I internet found out where the guy lived and called him at home.

:)
Yet...

[evilfij]

As far as how many have had it, both Yeastie (before I owned her) and Bryson (after I owned her) had oil line failures. Neither burned thanks to smart owners (Mark put it out on yeastie as did Jason on Bryson with the onboard fire extinguishers). Chicky is shortly having her's replaced, but has an extinguisher until that happens. So 2/3 I have owned. I would be an interesting poll.

[ECR]

I replaced all the pipes and the oil line but with non braided lines (I know, I know) but how long should the oil line last? 3,5,7 years?

We built a 110 Green Hi-Cap once. It went to CO and sat in a garge for 2 years. Then came back to ME and sat in a garage for a year. Total miles since rebuild and new oil cooler lines (factory style) was about 12,000. Truck was rarely used and always stored inside. It then got sold to a guy in NY and the first day he had it it had an oil line fire and burnt to the ground. The lines looked brand new visually, still had decals on them and everything and the truck had no other leaks.
Needless to say we never let any trucks go out of ECR with factory lines anymore. Even if the customer does not want to pay... I'll do them anyway at not charge if need be.

It is pure stupidity to be running the factory lines IMO. If you don't have any money, take the stupid cooler lines off.

[cgalpin]

Mine has had both an oil line fire and a transmission line fire (same problem - fine mist sprayed on the manifold) over the years. Thanks to this site, I knew what it was, and could react quickly and calmly in both cases and put it out before causing any damage. I keep 2 fire extinguishers in the truck :)

And that 2/1 :)

[rovertrader]

I don't think it a design flaw ( ha!!)- just Ron poking pin sized holes to slowly aquire all the NAS/mafia spec 90/110s. Minimal issues worldwide since the vast majority are diesels- and Ron resides Stateside. It always scares me to see guys fly and drive home a new 90 w/o getting the lines done. Even if you have to arrange to have the local dealer to do it- cheap by comparison. Then switch to ECR when home, or have them sent to said dealer...... As Mike said-"...just have it done." Or, convert to diesel :-)

[paulb]

It is pure stupidity to be running the factory lines IMO. If you don't have any money, take the stupid cooler lines off.

Why did I know it was coming...though it is commonly expressed from the family that Dad has stupidity traits, so nice to see it so rapidly posted here. But this is the kick in the bum I needed - replace the fire ext. which someone stole (again). The price to pay to run the truck topless from April to November

[evilfij]

I don't think it a design flaw ( ha!!)- just Ron poking pin sized holes to slowly aquire all the NAS/mafia spec 90/110s. Minimal issues worldwide since the vast majority are diesels- and Ron resides Stateside. It always scares me to see guys fly and drive home a new 90 w/o getting the lines done. Even if you have to arrange to have the local dealer to do it- cheap by comparison. Then switch to ECR when home, or have them sent to said dealer...... As Mike said-"...just have it done." Or, convert to diesel :-)

LOL. I only need one flaming mess. 94 or 95 required and white preferred.

[JimC]

As Mike said-"...just have it done." Or, convert to diesel :-)


Or both...

[shawnpalmer]

Since we are talking oil lines here, what do 97'ers do? Is there a kit now?
I put those heat sleeves from Jeg's on new factory lines last year on both of mine.

[specops1526]

Since we are talking oil lines here, what do 97'ers do? Is there a kit now?
I put those heat sleeves from Jeg's on new factory lines last year on both of mine.

Call Eric at Trailhead 4x4. He's got the 97 kit.

[ECR]

Since we are talking oil lines here, what do 97'ers do? Is there a kit now?
I put those heat sleeves from Jeg's on new factory lines last year on both of mine.


We sell 97 kits, or we sell the required adapters and will give you a parts list so you can make them youself from speed shop parts (JEGS, Summit, etc).
http://www.eastcoastrover.com/option2.html

here they are installed on a 97:
http://www.eastcoastrover.com/217.html

[evilfij]

The one thing I would suggest to people doing this install is to put some antisieze on the fittings when you do to make them removable. The stock lines I am about 50/50 getting off in one piece. Antiseize would make them come off really easy.

Ron

[kellymoe]

When I had my 94 D90 a few years back I was driving over the Newhall Pass on the way home from British Pacific when instantly smoke poured from under the hood. I turned the engine off and coasted to the side and quickly popped the hood to find a small anount of flame at the front of the engine bay. Extinguished it and called for a tow. I had my 4 y/o son in a child seat with me and I was more concerned for him than the car.

These things can go up in seconds, do not under estimate.

[Buckon37s]

That will buff out.