300 TDi EVO kits, Group buy.

[revor]

What the heck is that you ask?
All the parts required to upgrade your 300Tdi to the turbos system on the 2.8 Powerstroke.
Including Turbo, exhaust manifold, plumbing, piping and other goodies. You install it and have the exhaust shop connect the downpipe to your exhaust.

The way I understand it a 300 TDi without turbo lag is an amazing thing!

The cost of the kit will run around $2025 depending on the exchange rate (UK pounds). Not making any $$$ on this, I figured it was just too cool not to share.

My friend in Europe that will be arranging this will need cash up front as he is poor and owns a Land Rover...

E Mail
keith@rovertracks.com

[130Tdi]

christ let me sell my left....

[Overlander]

What's turbo lag? :grin I was hoping this was a US parts supplier source. Dang.

[revor]

See, Mark knows the love of no turbo lag!

[bharris]

so... anyone need a left leg so I could get in on this? how about a kidney?

[nikojo]

Will this work on a 2.8PS?? :) :)

I think it's an excellent idea and have a friend with a 300 who may be interested!!

[JimC]

If I wasn't parking the 90 for the next few years, I'd so be all over this.

[Ren Ching]

I'm still in the honeymoon phase of my Tdi relationship. Its so much better than the 2.25 I traded up from that I don't think I'll be looking for a sleeker model for quite some time.

But thanks for including us, sounds like a great mod.

If I wasn't parking the 90 for the next few years, I'd so be all over this.

[TDI Guy]

IF they are avail. in a few months, I will be all over this.....

[revor]

Will this work on a 2.8PS?? :) :)

I think it's an excellent idea and have a friend with a 300 who may be interested!!

You want two on your truck John?

These are standard product available in the Uk currently, I'm hoping that if we get enough to bring in a crateful we can save some on shipping and perhaps the duties..

[RiftRover]

Is this the kit that Allard sells? A lot cheaper than a 2.8 with similar numbers...

[diesel_jim]

I have a similar turbo (VGT) on my Td5... pulls lovely, just like a "modern" turbo diesel engine. (although mine's chipped to 190bhp too which helps!)

but that turbo makes driving "nice" and smooth.

[revor]

It's not the Allard kit but it is the same idea. This kit takes the parts directly from the 2.8 PS motor the way MWM designed it.

[TDI Guy]

What type of power are you talking about?

[Cube II]

Maximum power
standard: 111 bhp @ 4000 rpm - "Evo": 117 bhp @ 4000 rpm

Maximum torque
standard: 195 lbf ft @ 1800 rpm - "Evo": 224 lbf ft @ 1400 rpm

[cdb]

Just running numbers:

5% increase in horsepower - eh
15% increase in torque at 22% lower RPM. Ho Ho Ho.
$2,000 plus installation. Hmmmm

How soon do you need to know, Keith?

[Red90]

Just running numbers:

5% increase in horsepower - eh
15% increase in torque at 22% lower RPM. Ho Ho Ho.
$2,000 plus installation. Hmmmm

How soon do you need to know, Keith?

You can always increase fueling to get much higher power and torque numbers. The numbers above are with the turbo change by itself.

The real difference is the usable power band increase, which is a night and day difference in driveability. If you've ever driven a VGT, you'll know what I mean. No more turbo lag. No more revving it way up to make sure you don't shift it below the turbo boost point.

[Cube II]

If I did my homeworks correctly, the torque would be more or less equal to a Td5 but...@1400 rpm.
Sounds more than enough for me.

Add an improved intercooler one day (some may already have one) and tune the pump as per Red90 suggestion, and there you go...

[Cube II]

(snap!)

:)

[Hoosier]

What is the status of this post - is a group buy happening? - is it still possible to participate? - any details with respect to this "kit"?

[Cube II]

Hi Chris,
I'd say yes :) Keith will chime in soon I think.

[Hoosier]

Seems like a reasonable deal, I would just be interested in what comes in the kit and besides the exhaust are there any other modifications required to a stock setup.

[Cube II]

You get a VNT of course :naughty
the exaust manifold with studs, all the bolts, nuts and washers, silicone hoses (but no intercooler hoses) and clips, gaskets, pipes needed.
And the exaust.

[Hoosier]

I have a basic stock setup, with stock intercooler and hoses. Just wanted to make sure I would be taking out the stock stuff - putting in the new stuff - and I'm done. No sourcing other parts from UK that didn't come in the kit. Are there any photos of this in a defender 300tdi that I can look at?

[revor]

Hey Chris,

It's still going to happen.. Stay tuned!

Michele is our super sleuth over in Europe helping to make this happen. He has some piccie's I think he should post!

[IPSC_GUY]

I'm IN ! ! !

Let me know where and when.

IPSC_GUY
SIERRA II ALPHA

[Cube II]

Right I'll post some pics tonight!

(BTW my kit is still on the shelf - SOB! - so I have the chance to take more if needed)

[Cube II]

It's tonight :)

[revor]

I'm Giddy!!!!!!!!!!!!

[crown14]

Lets see some specs on that turbo! And specs on a factory turbo as well!

[Red90]

It is the turbo that is used on the HS2.8 engines. It is not larger, but is VNT instead of wastegated.

[revor]

300Tdi = Garrett T250-04
TD5 = Garrett GT2052S
2.8HS = Garrett GT2256V

[artm]

Well, now with Santiago from Argentina posting in this thread on the same thing...

http://www.d-90.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16822&page=6

...should this not be pursued - sourcing it from his part of the world?

[revor]

Indeed it may be worth it to look into it again. I looked into it, while the quality of what could be had was excellent we tryed to work things out through Brazil or Argentina a year ago and a complete kit was actually more than I could pick up the parts here in the States.

[defeyago]

Guys If I can be of any help from here I´ll be glad to do it. Price you mention at the beginning of this post it´s about the same it would cost here to buy and fabricate everything to make a kit. But I repeat if I can help, I´ll be glad to do it.

If it´s worth the upgrade to TGV? You bet it is!!!

Regards,

[Hoosier]

So bottom line: What time frame are we looking at and who is collecting money?

[artm]

...we tried to work things out through Brazil or Argentina a year ago and a complete kit was actually more than I could pick up the parts here in the States.


Can we pickup the turbo here, refub or new, as a group buy? Then the rest of the kit from abroad.

Came across this thread:

http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?showtopic=25375&st=0

Message #70 is from these guys hoping to offer the kit: www.bellautoservices.co.uk

[oilburner]

Cool!

Michele, if you are able to source or obtain a VNT variable geometry actuator (it pushes on the variable geometry lever and has a hose that is hooked to manifold pressure, looks like a small can wiht a hose coming out of it) I could use one for my very own VGT project... No big deal, but if you are dealing with parts houses that deal in these parts maybe you could ask? I would really appreciate it.

Yah it's for Brutus :)

[Cube II]

Message #70 is from these guys hoping to offer the kit: www.bellautoservices.co.uk

I waited and waited for that kit to become available for the Tdi but AFAIK it's yet to come...:(

[Cube II]

Cool!
Michele, if you are able to source or obtain a VNT variable geometry actuator (...)
Yah it's for Brutus :)

Hiya!!!!Where've you been JL? :)

Happy to help if I can.

By any chance, is it something like this?

[oilburner]

Hey! I am good, when are you coming to MTL?

I did some more digging for info and it looks like I can use a regular wastegate actuator, so that means I can easily get the parts here. Thanks anyways, I will keep you posted when I start my very own VGT project... :)

[Cube II]

I have a feeling it will be a kinda Frankenturbo :cool:

MTL...eeeeeh...I wish I'll be able to do everything next Oct for the Rally...
Fingers crossed...

[rdavisinva]

Hey guys:
While I am not a frequent BBS poster, please send this info to a good friend Andy as he may want to participate in a purchase: frogan207@hotmail.com
R&D

[revor]

Hey guys:
While I am not a frequent BBS poster, please send this info to a good friend Andy as he may want to participate in a purchase: frogan207@hotmail.com
R&D

Done Rob!

Okay everyone who is ready to buy... Could you send me an E MAIL keith@rovertracks.com
put "300 TDi EVO" in the subject line.

I looks as if there are enough people (both here and other places) interested/ready that we should get this order started.

[Cube II]

Icing on the cake.

:cool:

[revor]

Nice! Everyone love a pretty IC!

Okay Guys I have a list.. I am waiting on one other guy to respond and we'll get this ordering biz started.

[artm]

So, what's the bottom line on this deal? If we don't get on board this time will it be available later? Same price?

[revor]

Hey Art,

Getting the numbers up helps with the price, we can probably get another buy going in the future. I'm not even included in this buy as I can't afford it currently. But I'll likely need two kits in the coming months that will put us a coulpe away from 5 kits if you go in. (5 is a magic number.)

[artm]

I hear ya...I've been waffling on purchasing a "real" car for the last month and was looking into a BMW 1991 M5. Then I realized that the last thing I need is a money pit just to feel good driving fast.

My Rovers have been essentially trouble free. Although I'd love for the 110 to be peppier with this kit, in the end I want an automatic in it. So, now I'm thinking moving the Tdi/R380 into the 90 and the ZF into the 110 - not with the 4.0. :) Think Chevy.

Assuming the 90 is much lighter than the 110, I'm hoping not to need the 2.8 turbo kit in it. It will also allow me to avoid MA emissions testing on the 90.

[cdb]

Art.....

I had a 1991 BMW M5:

fun, fast, and a definite money pit. Head gasket job - $4,000.

[Hoosier]

With the exchange rate at $1.59 to pound, now may be the best time to buy. I suspect with the US monetary policies, the dollar will only get weaker against other currencies.

[revor]

Okay, I've put out the call for cash. $2025 get's a kit shipped to you door (added benefit of a better exchange rate and a 5% discout for more kit's sold.)

Any new takers? I'll be placing the order early next week (once I get all the cash).

[Cube II]

Installed.

[jaherring]

I'm thinking about doing a 300TDI conversion... having this option may tip the scale...

[revor]

Oh you should do the 300 with this kit!

I've mailed off updates to the guys that got in on this purchase but I figured I post here as well.
(start form letter here)
I have wired the $$ today and the kits will ship next week. That should put them here the week of 4/1.
Once I get them I'll turn them as quickly as I can.
Hopefully the following weekend I can get mine installed so that I can check any unforseen problems.
We have installed on kit in Italy and it went well. Michele is thrilled (he want's to go race Ferarri's now). There are some points he noted during his install and I will write these up and either post them on D-90 or include the notes with the kits. Or do both.
(stop Form letter)

Yipee!!! I'm Excited!

[Cube II]

Two kits in Italy!
Well I only did mine 1 month ago and I took a couple of notes I will pass over as bonus.
I tuned the VE pump last weekend and the Cube flies.
The first kit (supposed to be mine) was installed last summer on a mate's D90, another white 300 Tdi :)
This Guinea pig had the VE tweaked on "evil" mode...

[bharris]

dang I want one of these... I think I need to do the underdrive first though so I'm at least a year out of being able to afford it... I'm _REALLY_ hoping there will be another buy around that time...

[revor]

We can try another buy in the future Brad.

[Cube II]

With special injectors nozzles too :)

[revor]

Stop that!!!!!

[Cube II]

Teasing?

:naughty


As I wrote today before being interrupted...
...the D90 used as test mule had the VE pump set more aggressively than mine (weekend warrior),
straight air intake (with foam filter) and custom injectors nozzles.
The dyno chart reported 167HP (IIRC), then the fuel pump had was de-tuned a bit :rolleyes 'cos the truck was - accordingly to my mate - hard to control, it kept digging :)
Temperature within limits!
I should get more details, like the dyno chart.

Sincerely that sounds too much to my taste, so I preferred a more "conservative" setup.

[revor]

Now there's a vote for moderation!

[Cube II]

Kits on the way!

:)

[revor]

At long last!!!!!
The kits have arrived in Houston, Sorry Chris I can't have your's diverted..

I expect to start shipping early next week provided they clear customs.

Time to start another group buy? Price will depend on how much I take it in the shorts on this one. :)

[Cube II]

YEEEEEEEEEEE!

:toast:toast

I can breathe now...
:)

[revor]

The parts look nice.
Unfortunately they are not in individual boxes as was expected but bulk packages of specific parts.
Again a delay I will get the packaging figured out and move then on to you guys as quickly as I can!

[jaherring]

Any extra kits? I just joined the Defender TDI club (well, the swap is in progress - no turning back now!)

[revor]

No extra's... Sorry, BUT!!!!! We can ask the guys on the board for another long and drawn out process to get some more..
The performance is truly worth it, it actually feels like I could pull an overdrive!!!! Mid range torque is great and economy has inceased. 0 to sixty? Almost 16 seconds!!!! of course I'm at 5300 feet.

[Cube II]

It could be done...I'll speak to Keith and see...

[jaherring]

OK, keep me in the loop!

[Wolf Fabrication]

School me please, why wouldn't this kit work on a 200tdi?

[revor]

I don't see why it wouldn't, but there are individuals on this board that know more about the 200 that could answer the question better.
Of course if that is the case then there should also be a few extra 300 turbo's and manifolds out there for dropping a Disco 200 into a LHD Defender.

[Wolf Fabrication]

I've got a Disco 200tdi right now and my understanding is that I need to change my intake anyway to do a LHD conversion.

[revor]

I can't say that for sure the 300 manifold will fit directly on because I've never done it. The bolt pattern on the head looks to be the same and it doesn't seem that there would be much in the way on the 200 to obstruct the 300 manifold.
I do know that a Disco 200 turdo leaves you with no room for a steering shaft on a LHD Defender.
That said I have a 300 Manifold and down pipe in good condition for sale:)
http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?showtopic=27167&hl=

[Wolf Fabrication]

I can't say that for sure the 300 manifold will fit directly on because I've never done it. The bolt pattern on the head looks to be the same and it doesn't seem that there would be much in the way on the 200 to obstruct the 300 manifold.
I do know that a Disco 200 turdo leaves you with no room for a steering shaft on a LHD Defender.
That said I have a 300 Manifold and down pipe in good condition for sale:)
http://forums.lr4x4.com/index.php?showtopic=27167&hl=


I may be interested, what about the turbo itself? It may worth it to test fit your bits just to make sure the kit will bolt up. I want to eventually do a LHD conversion, so this might help that along.

[RiftRover]

I have a 300TDI turbo and manifold installed on my disco 200tdi, so i could do the LHD conversion. The outlet of the turbo is still very close to the steering column because of how far back the 200 sits, but it does fit. It bolted right on, but I think i may have had to enlarge one hole on the 300 manifold, but it was more of a Land Rover tolerance thing. I can take pictures if anyone wants them.

[jaherring]

Looks like there are no more 'group buys', and I can't justify the cost of paying ~$2600 for a kit shipped from the UK. Does anyone have a parts list for the EVO kit? Really, it seems to me the key components are:

1) the VNT
2) the exhaust manifold

Everything else looks like fairly simple plumbing.

* I can source VN Turbos from SA or China but I need a P/N/model #.

* I don't have a source on the exhaust manifold yet... I need one... worst case, there is a manufacturer who does one-off castings for a couple hundred dollars in the LA area. of course I'd need to machine the thing... but I have some contacts for that. If someone has a not-yet-installed 2.8PS and would lend out the exhaust manifold to make a pattern that would be great :-D

I could see the turbo + manifold it for under $1K.. and plumbing should be easy enough to fabricate up. This I could justify....