Rear recovery point

[souza]

Hey Guys,

What is a good option for rear recovery, once the rear bumper is removed? I'm going to install my rear stainless skid plate, and figured it was a good time to remove the rear tail dragger. But that's currently my recovery point with a hitch shackle. I love the Dixon-Bate 5-ton jaw, but that's just a little too much $$$ right now. I don't really care if I continue to have a receiver hitch, as I've seen some that bolt onto the cross member and hang below, although I suppose if I had that I could use it for recovery?

Just wondering what anyone else is using that works. I guess I'll spend the $$$ on the Dixon-bate if I really HAVE to...

thanks,
Dave

[dmarchand]

I can't think of any way of getting around the dixon bate Dave.

If you do get one, make sure you pick up a mounting plate for the backside of the cross member. It's best to install when that tank guard is off, obviously. It's slightly painful to install with the NAS tank as their is little room to cram your hands in. I would highly recommend getting yourself a magnet to help facilitate it and recover lost washers and nuts as you drop them into the crossmember.

[souza]

Good to know, thanks Dave... BTW, are you going to bison county this week? (as I hijack my own thread) I'm dying to check out your truck with it's new 'heart'.

[dmarchand]

Thinking about it. I'm still trying to sort out an issue or two that came up this weekend with truck handling. So it depends on whether I can sort it out before Wed. Who else is going?

[rover4x4]

www.roveraccessories.com/rover-accessories.htm scroll down to the bottom, you can keep the revciver if you like. I think thats more versitle than the dixon bate.

[ronward]

This might be a stupid question... How does one remove the rear step and receiver on the NAS 90 rear end? I've seen some 90's with what appears to be the standard Series LR rear crossmember without the step and receiver. Break out the cutting torch or what?

[rover4x4]

Just bolts ups its intuitive, Most land Rovers dont have the rear step bumper, All the NAS trucks have it. If you take off the bumper all that will be there is the rear crossmember.

[dmarchand]

Ron, it's all bolts on the back side of the cross member on your truck. You don't even have to remove anything else to access them.

However, with no rear bumper and nothing back there. Obviously, the risk of someone rear-ending you and doing damage to your frame goes up.

[wicks]

Could go for one of those cool Nato pintel hitches. ;)

[ronward]

Hmm, how heavy is the rear bumper?

[dmarchand]

Heavy. Not sure on exact since I don't have a scale. But when you take it off and start adding the rear hitch plate and a dixon bate, and maybe some rear quarter panel protection...

You even out in the weight race.

[ronward]

Except for the DB and the receiver, it looks like this underneath the rear bumper that just bolts on?

[dmarchand]

Yup. That's your rear cross member.

[Doug]

That's John Lee's truck, and I remember what a hassle it was getting the big dixonbate pin out upwards with that spare tire mounted the way it is.

[ronward]

It is, sorry I failed to give credit on the photo... :)

[Doug]

NP, just pointing out that if you mount the db pin under the tire like that, you'll probably wind up using the hitch mounted shackle anyway. John gave me a tug at Truckhaven a couple of years ago, and I think we used the hitch shackle because of the spare tire being in the way of the db.

[redrover]

I dont have a dixon bates setup, but looks like a perfect enough setup. First off , doesnt the recovery veh usually have the strap in his truck? Sooo ----open ----the door---- attach the strap to your masterbates unit and close the door. I sometimes hook up the strap and then close it in the door until someone needs it. Whats the problem again? Also if your rear door is welded shut, you could put pin in from the down side. Its held in by a cotter pin. And the main pin is as strong either way. Also consider a four bolt rec hitch {rover assessories}, yah it hangs down a wopping 2 inchs. I have scraped off many ledges with it. No issue,

[Doug]

LOL, good one JP. Guess you settled that one. Reminds me of using a bucket to put out the fire and stumbling over the hose. ;)

[souza]

thanks for all the great input guys. I had been thinking about the spare tire when looking at the truck last night Doug, but not the simply solution JP has for it!

[snuffer]

Dave, I used the NATO style hitch until I had Rockware build my current bumper. The NATO bolts onto the crossmember but the best I recall I had to drop the tank to bolt it on.

The NATO style hitch should be available at a trailer parts supplier and they are not very expensive.

Without the NAS rear bumper the crossmember looks very vulnerable. But any contact that bends the NAS will also bend the crossmember where it is bolted on.

A strap loop "can" slip out of the Nato style hitch. It is a good idea to connect the pull strap to the hitch with a D ring shackle.

[ronward]

The NATO hitch is available at the local UHaul rental store for $40 or $50 last time I was in there.

[Buckon37s]

Jeeeeeeze guys! 21 replies on a rear recovery point! Just put a hook or weld a loop and be done with it. Only rover owners could figure out a way to spend over $100 on this!

[souza]

I think I found what I'm looking for:

http://www.landroverstuff.com/specials.htm

I just want to check the rating on it, but I already have the Scoripion Racing front swivel mounts (Scorpion makes these), and I'm pretty happy with those. This just looks simple and to the point. Anyone ever seen or used these?

thank again for the input.

[BarryO]

'could also replace the rear lashing points with JATE rings. 'only they do tend to be buried when you are really stuck.

[souza]

As well as geting easily buried, I've also seen the JATE rings break trying to recover from really deep mud... I wouldn't trust just one for a hard recovery, and most that have them don't link the two with a bridle. (I used to use just one :rolleyes)

For the same money as 1 JATE, I think this recovery eye from scorpion is going to work just right.

thanks,
Dave

[Cube II]

I think I found what I'm looking for:
This just looks simple and to the point. Anyone ever seen or used these?


Me.
:rolleyes
Had it for a while,and finally sold it away when I got
1)Dixon Bate ball/hitch combo
2)Dixon Bate NATO hitch
3)My own custom recovery point made.
:cool:

I can use them all simply unbolting one and fitting the other.
The best is the old military NATO,it really kicks @ss.
Shame I don't dare to use it as I live in Italy (it means if I come across a policeman I can get a huge bill and have the log book retired and the 90 as well)
:angry

Scr@pIron recovery point is just a plate with a steel arc welded on.
I bet you can find a pal/fabricator able to do the same thing and even better,
and stand a bit outta the crowd...

Just a thought.

ANYWAY get a suitable backing plate as well not to bend the Xmember at the 1st pull!
:(

[souza]

Boy, and we complain about inspections, etc, here in the states... sounds like you've got to really be careful what you put on your truck.

I think for the price, it's just as easy to have landroverstuff.com ship the scorpion eye right to me, vs. trying to find a local fabricator make one up for me, since I don't know of anyone offhand. And, I've never seen one of these in the US, so I still might stand out! And I will definetly get a backing plate.

thanks for the input Michele, and good luck with police over there!

[Cube II]

Dave,would'ya believe?
You are not allowed :
(unless you pay)
to add a bullbar
to change your stock bumper
to add a winch
to add a towing hitch/recovery point
to switch to different tire sizes
to switch to different rim size (ok,I don't care)
to fit auxiliary lights on
to fit roof lights on
to take your seats off!!!!!(need more room?forget it!)
to put seats in!!!!(need to carry passengers/friends?forget it!)
to swap your engine with a different one (V8>Tdi>V8>PowerTorque)

What else?
to fit a snorkel
to fit lampguards

Most of these things you can have
if you ask a permission (each time for a different thing!).
Once you got it,quick call a friend with a garage
(if you have) and ask for a "fake" installation certificate
(I did all the jobs but better not to say it!).
Then book a visit @ your local MoT office
and pay for having your goodies registered on your Rover logbook.

Naturally,you can only have 1 (one) different tire measure
(within a limited range),2 extra lights and no more,etc etc etc.

My NATO hitch is NOT allowed anyway,even if it's a genuine LR part.

Democracy.

[souza]

Wow :eek:

You guys need some Republicans over there!

[Cube II]

:lol

Or maybe some extra money and spare time to waste...
:ncomment

[JohnC]

Michele,

"Scr@pIron recovery point is just a plate with a steel arc welded on.
I bet you can find a pal/fabricator able to do the same thing and even better,
and stand a bit outta the crowd..."

Cosa dice?? Are you talking about the Swivel Recovery Eye that Dave mentioned in his post? I don't think so...

[Cube II]

Not the swivel one,the rear recovery point IIRC.

[JohnC]

Ahhh, I see. You mean these:

[Cube II]

Yup.