GWNF Feb 19th

[rrc.swb]

A couple of us are scheduling a trip to GWNF.

Anyone interested?

[nathanwind]

I've put it on the calendar, keep me posted as we get a little closer.

[Wolf Fabrication]

Penciled in.

[rrc.swb]

Will do.

I need to contact Charles so they fix the Calendar... it stops at Dec 2010.

Once that is fixed, I'll add it.

P

------ Follow up post added January 5th, 2011 07:16 PM ------

To the guys that want to become OCC members...

I added a database. Please sign in. This way it will be an official run.

[jefhuf]

Checking with wifey but should be good for this date...I'll respond on the database when confirmed

[Rugbier]

I am tentative in ...

[rrc.swb]

Checking with wifey but should be good for this date...I'll respond on the database when confirmedYou better go... :cool:

------ Follow up post added January 5th, 2011 10:08 PM ------

http://www.d-90.com/forum/calendar.php?do=getinfo&c=1&day=2011-2-19

[hillstrubl]

I am tentative in ...
me too

[NoVaKevin]

count me in

[rrc.swb]

kool

I've updated the list...

http://www.d-90.com/forum/calendar.p...&day=2011-2-19 (http://www.d-90.com/forum/calendar.php?do=getinfo&c=1&day=2011-2-19)

[jefhuf]

Checking with wifey but should be good for this date...I'll respond on the database when confirmed

I'm definitely in now!

[rrc.swb]

1.Pedro
2.Jason
3.Jonathan
4.Jeff
5.Goose (Tentative)
6.Danny (Tentative)
7.Kevin
8.Jeff
9.
10.
11.

[1of40]

If i don't go to the Winter Romp I would love to join you guys. Which trail were you considering?

[rrc.swb]

If i don't go to the Winter Romp I would love to join you guys. Which trail were you considering?If you end up driving up to ME, contact Rugbier, he wanted to get a roof rack from ECR.

We will be doing Meadow Knob, AKA Flagpole. Very stock friendly for Puma's. :)

[1of40]

Harsh :) Sort of hoping you guys were thinking of something like Potts Mountian. I haven't been there in a long time but it might be a good idea someday. They have cabins at nearby Douthat state park which could be fun... http://www.dcr.virginia.gov/state_parks/dou.shtml

[rrc.swb]

I've never been to Potts and do not know the terrain.

I suggested Flagpole so "stokers" (like my soccer mom/mall cruiser DI) could go :)

[ukoffroad]

Potts Mountain has been part of the RAOV summer Rally the last two years, if you are looking to return they should be headed back there next summer. IT is harder than it was in years past, the rocky areas are more washed out.

[rrc.swb]

Potts Mountain has been part of the RAOV summer Rally the last two years, if you are looking to return they should be headed back there next summer. IT is harder than it was in years past, the rocky areas are more washed out.Do you have the GPS trail?

[1of40]

Thanks Chuck, I bet it's been two years then I'm embarassed to say. Last time I poked a hole in my front diff on one of the ledges. Nothing an oil rag and duct tape didn't fix. That's a sweet place.

[ukoffroad]

Do you have the GPS trail?

no, but I have a map somewhere. I know parts are closed during the winter, not sure what is open at the moment. It is a public rail so I know others plans a trip there from time to time. Last time we went a DII blew a diff and I had to do the last 1/4 trail while pulling it through on a kinetic strap.

[rrc.swb]

I'll keep the run to Flagpole, just to have more people join us.

Not a lot of people want to damage their trucks...

Not everyone has a "heavily upgraded" rig... like mine... roflmfao (I'm being funny). :) The best mod I have is the RTE sticker in the back... :grin

[hillstrubl]

I'Not everyone has a "heavily upgraded" rig... like mine... roflmfao
Does "heavily upgraded" include functioning low range? ZING! :)

[rrc.swb]

Does "heavily upgraded" include functioning low range? ZING! :)I'm being funny ...

you and most of the guys know I have a stocker...:) except the RTE sticker :grin

all my off-road parts are collecting dust in my garage. I'm planning a wrenching party very soon.

BTW... I fixed the t-case the following weekend. I removed the locking solenoid for good.

[hillstrubl]

switch me and wifey to def in

[Bmxer06pa]

I am going to try to make it

[Bmxer06pa]

Update: Girlfriend + jewelry show= me coming - lots of money

[dchapman]

Potts MTN is closed annually from January 1st to March 31st. Last year it did not open until late-April because of excessive erosion that needed more time to heal. I expect this year will be no different since clubs (like ROAV) take larger groups to the trails, yet never come back to do their part in repairing, maintaining, or cleaning up the trails.

If you guys are hitting FR-85 through Meadow Knob and then down Union Springs, enjoy it. They're trying to close that loop. Forester Elwood Burgess is determined to have it closed down. Erosion, trespassing on private land at the top of Union, trash, trail blazing...they're all to blame.

[1of40]

What a shame. The selection of trails really sucks in this area.

[rrc.swb]

That's a shame. We need to keep doing our part...

As we did on our last run... We need to bring bags and cleanup the trails.

[ssbartley1]

I remember that trip!


no, but I have a map somewhere. I know parts are closed during the winter, not sure what is open at the moment. It is a public rail so I know others plans a trip there from time to time. Last time we went a DII blew a diff and I had to do the last 1/4 trail while pulling it through on a kinetic strap.

[Roverhound]

Maybe. Never know if I'm going to be in town or not.

[sonoronos]

Are you guys planning to stay overnight? The Hooptie Honda can car camp but off-roading would probably bend it into a pretzel.

[1of40]

Crab Tree Falls trail run this Saturday morning if any of you are interested. Can form a meeting spot anywhere between Wintergreen and the trailhead. Right now its just me and a buddy with another 90. More Rover products always welcome.

Clay

text: 703-953-5546 for info/details

[rrc.swb]

Are you guys planning to stay overnight? The Hooptie Honda can car camp but off-roading would probably bend it into a pretzel.No. It's a one day trip.

[dchapman]

Crab Tree Falls trail run this Saturday morning if any of you are interested. Can form a meeting spot anywhere between Wintergreen and the trailhead. Right now its just me and a buddy with another 90. More Rover products always welcome.

Clay

text: 703-953-5546 for info/details

Be a few Rover-heads at Horton Winery Saturday. http://hortonwine.com/
Prolly around 1pm - till....

[sonoronos]

ok pedro, please count me in. Not sure if I'll drive down myself, I might have to hop on someone else's truck if they'll have me. Either way I'll bring my camera equipment for photos.

[rrc.swb]

You can ride with any of us.

[cgalpin]

Yeah we'll be meeting at Wendy's in Manassass off Rt66 and there will be plenty of open seats.

[MonLand]

I'm in.

[rrc.swb]

I'm in.Remember to sign in the Database.

[Viggen]

I might be able to tag along. I dont have the Disco anymore but wouldnt mind wheeling if I can. Nothing too crazy, right?

[cgalpin]

No, very basic fire roads - stocker and family friendly.

[Viggen]

Its not a stocker but its the first go out with it so I want to ease into the checking of its abilities. :)

[MonLand]

Just make sure your truck runs regularly (fluid levels ok, no overheating, low range works, diff lock locks, etc). Kinda not fun to have "one of those" with you on the trail... Or so I hear.... Yes, pun intended!!! (but not to you Jarrod)

[Rugbier]

Just make sure your truck runs regularly (fluid levels ok, no overheating, low range works, diff lock locks, etc). Kinda not fun to have "one of those" with you on the trail... Or so I hear.... Yes, pun intended!!! (but not to you Jarrod)

LMFAO,

not to mention has lockers and still manages to get stuck in 1/2" of mud

[rijosho]

Oh snap. When did that happen?

[rrc.swb]

Just make sure your truck runs regularly (fluid levels ok, no overheating, low range works, diff lock locks, etc). Kinda not fun to have "one of those" with you on the trail... Or so I hear.... Yes, pun intended!!! (but not to you Jarrod)Here is what I have to say... :finger:finger:finger:finger:finger and just before I forget... :finger

LMFAO,

not to mention has lockers and still manages to get stuck in 1/2" of mudAnd for the record it was a LOG... ohh and :finger

Oh snap. When did that happen?All of these happened in 2 different trips... just saying :grin

The only one it's not true is the one that the diff lock locks... my CDL always have worked. :)

[Rugbier]

Damn ..sensitive people

[cgalpin]

All of these happened in 2 different trips... just saying :grin
Yeah that makes it all better

[Rugbier]

Yeah that makes it all better

Excuses ..excuses ...The nerves of him justifying his F#@k ups :eek:

[carlosz]

my presence is tentative as I have received the replacement t case for my lwb but have yet to install it.
please count me in as I will attempt to install it this week.
Id rather be in and not show than to show and not be on the list.

[rrc.swb]

Though crowd... :)

[MC22958]

Dag gone it Clay, I remember that. Seem to remember you driving all the way home that way.

[dchapman]

Is there a list as to who's going?

[disco dog]

Is there a list as to who's going?
Pencil me in.

[rrc.swb]

Is there a list as to who's going?Yes, in the calendar section.

http://www.d-90.com/forum/calendar.php?do=getinfo&e=37&day=2011-2-19

Pencil me in.added

[Roverhound]

Yes, in the calendar section.

http://www.d-90.com/forum/calendar.php?do=getinfo&e=37&day=2011-2-19

added
That's a lot of vehicles. Any chance of breaking it up in to two groups?

[Rugbier]

If I go, I will have to shot gun with someone and then leave for the ROAV ABM meeting in Richmond, so I am game on split groups

[rrc.swb]

That's a lot of vehicles. Any chance of breaking it up in to two groups?I know... This is going to be a bigger group. There are several gals/guys from the local Club that are attending.

We have several guys that know the area very well and can divide into groups. So we can have a safe and fun run.

If I go, I will have to shot gun with someone and then leave for the ROAV ABM meeting in Richmond, so I am game on split groupsWhat do you mean "if I go"... :)

[dchapman]

If I go, I will have to shot gun with someone and then leave for the ROAV ABM meeting in Richmond, so I am game on split groups

I hear you're running for a seat within the club. I hope you get elected because it's going to be great fun posting what a fuck up you are.

------ Follow up post added February 13th, 2011 07:04 PM ------

I doubt I'll do a trail ride since I'm on call for work that weekend, but if the group meets afterwords for dinner and/or drinks, I'd be game. I know Gus' favorite place in Harrisonburg is the Artful Dodger (http://www.artfuldodger.org/abc07.html), but I don't take it in the butt so that place is not for me. But Daves' Taverna (http://www.davestaverna.com/) would be good, or even the bar at the Local Chop House (http://www.localchops.com/).

A few other suggestions would be:
Union Station (http://www.unionstationdowntown.com/site/)
I'latlia (http://www.litalia-restaurant.com/default.aspx?pageid=1)
Cally's (http://www.callysbrewing.com/)

[NoVaKevin]

gus...you running for a seat on ROAM or ROAV? not sure you have standing for ROAV since you dont live in the commonwealth!!!! kidding. good luck.

Daves Taverna gets my vote. Hopefully there will be some fresh JMU 'gina running around for me to holla at.

[Rugbier]

I hear you're running for a seat within the club. I hope you get elected because it's going to be great fun posting what a fuck up you are....

Dan,
perhaps you can stop sucking Bubba's cock for a second, and come to the ABM, make your voice heard the right way.

I might take a seat on ROAV ( not sure yet, nor I have enough people that like me enough to vote me in ), unlike you, I will try to make suggestions the right way and not be a keyboard whore as you are.. but no matter what , still like you :)

I know Gus' favorite place in Harrisonburg is the Artful Dodger (http://www.artfuldodger.org/abc07.html), but I don't take it in the butt so that place is not for me. But Daves' Taverna (http://www.davestaverna.com/) would be good, or even the bar at the Local Chop House (http://www.localchops.com/).

A few other suggestions would be:
Union Station (http://www.unionstationdowntown.com/site/)
I'latlia (http://www.litalia-restaurant.com/default.aspx?pageid=1)
Cally's (http://www.callysbrewing.com/)

That is not the story Bubba tells .. anyhow, I might see you later in the day for a drink

[dchapman]

Gus,
Sounds like you've been talking to Chuckles Yarborough too much. Chuckles has been drinking the ROAV kool-aid for several years now and is more clueless now than he ever was.

If you want some real insight as to what really goes on within ROAV, give me a call or PM me, I've got several dozen e-mails I'd like to share with you.

But please, enlighten me as to what "the right way" is to present your point(s) to ROAV! And don't say by going to the ABM because that's bullshit. Why would I pay $25.00 just to attend the meeting, plus whatever the hotel room costs, plus the expense to get there and time off; when ROAV pays a fee to have working web forum the officers and Board members regularly participate in? Whats the point of the BBS? ROAV communicates to the membership via their website, so why can't folks be heard through the BBS?

Don't worry about having friends to get you elected to a seat on ROAV. You'll get a seat. Bring someone with you and they'll get a seat, too. The only qualification you need to get elected is to show up. If they haven't already, they'll beg you to take a seat. I suspect they have already.....

I'm not going to the ABM. I don't support ROAV like that. If I went to the ABM that would mean I support ROAV. I don't. Not as long as that fat ass John Tackley is involved anyway.

Call me, though. I think you need to see the other side of the bullshit Chuckles has been feeding you.

[rrc.swb]

Guys,

We are helping several people meet their OCC qualification.

Since it's going to count toward your OCC application. Please take the time to read, fill-out and sign the forms. The forms can be download from OCC's web site.

http://www.offcambercrawlers.com/cms/index.php/club-information/documents/category/44/waivers


EVERYONE attending needs to have these forms at all times.

Also, you will need to make sure you have all the required safety equipment in/on
your vehicle as listed at the bottom of the registration form:



Be capable of the road ('Trail-only' rigs excluded)
Have solid recovery points on the front and rear of the vehicle
Have properly installed seat belts for all passengers
Have a lifting jack capable of lifting the vehicle's tire off the ground
Have a spare tire compatible with the other four tires. ('Trail-only' rigs excluded)
Have a standard First Aid kit.
Have an operational fire extinguisher.



We need to know where you guys are going to meet us... We don't want anyone left behind and/or lost. :)

Wendys in Manassas @8:15 (Charles.... please add the address here)

or

Harrisonburg Sheetz @ 10:30
798 East Market Street
Harrisonburg, VA 22801

Last, bring a couple of trash bags... if we see trash, we will pick it up.

Tread Lightly!

Pedro

[dchapman]

If you do pick up trash, or open trails from downed trees, etc.. please fill out and fax in these forms to the forest service:

Sponsored Land Management (http://sv4w.com/fs-1800-8GroupVolunteerAgreement.doc)

Individual Land Management (http://sv4w.com/fs-1800-7IndividualVolunteerAgreement.doc)

------ Follow up post added February 14th, 2011 02:22 PM ------

Hopefully there will be some fresh JMU 'gina running around for me to holla at.

I'm leaving before that happens. It was kind of embarrassing last time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3u_aaf5ISKQ

[cgalpin]

Wendy's in Manassas is here http://tinyurl.com/wendys-manassas

Please let Pedro know if you are coming (or if you change your mind) so he can keep track of who's coming and we don't spend time waiting for someone.

My cell is va 728 9247 if you need to get hold of someone in a pinch. I'm thinking about going shotgun myself with my neighbor Ed since I heard Gustavo takes it in the butt.

[rrc.swb]

I'm thinking about going shotgun myself with my neighbor Ed...I was thinking on going shutgun too... wtf :rolleyes

[jefhuf]

This is going to become a really interesting ride if we are now down to 3 trucks with 6 dudes in each one!

Pedro, you organized this...what's wrong with your truck this time? Other than no front bumper!

[dchapman]

With 6-dudes in each truck, and with names like Pedro and Gustavo, I'm afraid you guys are going to get pulled over, questioned, and strip searched, for being suspected MS-13 gang members.

[nathanwind]

Actually I was thinking more along the lines of "Don't ask, don't tell".

[rrc.swb]

This is going to become a really interesting ride if we are now down to 3 trucks with 6 dudes in each one!

Pedro, you organized this...what's wrong with your truck this time? Other than no front bumper!Are you serious... what do you mean what's wrong with my truck... it's a Rover... :)

Don't forget these wise words...

Land Rover = rolling mechanical failure. it is failing even as it sits in the driveway. get used to it. My 90 just had a failure as I was typing this.

I'll be there with my truck. I did install the new oil cooler lines and the front bumper.... I was just kidding and wanted to see the whining :)

With 6-dudes in each truck, and with names like Pedro and Gustavo, I'm afraid you guys are going to get pulled over, questioned, and strip searched, for being suspected MS-13 gang members.ROFLMFAO... touche... But, Daniel is not too far from the tree either... :)

[Rugbier]

With 6-dudes in each truck, and with names like Pedro and Gustavo, I'm afraid you guys are going to get pulled over, questioned, and strip searched, for being suspected MS-13 gang members.

De que esta hablando senor, you soy un Turista *ROTFLMFAO*

[rrc.swb]

De que esta hablando senor, you soy un Turista *ROTFLMFAO*Que quieres que te diga... :rolleyes

[dchapman]

De que esta hablando senor, you soy un Turista *ROTFLMFAO*

They'll take you on a tour to see Bubba.

[jefhuf]

Are you serious... what do you mean what's wrong with my truck... it's a Rover... :)

Don't forget these wise words...



I'll be there with my truck. I did install the new oil cooler lines and the front bumper.... I was just kidding and wanted to see the whining :)

ROFLMFAO... touche... But, Daniel is not too far from the tree either... :)

good, then you can bring my wrenches back!

[Rugbier]

They'll take you on a tour to see Bubba.

We will not take your boyfriend away

[rrc.swb]

good, then you can bring my wrenches back!They worked like a charm. Thanks!!! I'll bring them to HH.

[Roverhound]

Guys,

We are helping several people meet their OCC qualification.

Since it's going to count toward your OCC application. Please take the time to read, fill-out and sign the forms. The forms can be download from OCC's web site.

http://www.offcambercrawlers.com/cms/index.php/club-information/documents/category/44/waivers


EVERYONE attending needs to have these forms at all times.

Also, you will need to make sure you have all the required safety equipment in/on
your vehicle as listed at the bottom of the registration form:



Be capable of the road ('Trail-only' rigs excluded)
Have solid recovery points on the front and rear of the vehicle
Have properly installed seat belts for all passengers
Have a lifting jack capable of lifting the vehicle's tire off the ground
Have a spare tire compatible with the other four tires. ('Trail-only' rigs excluded)
Have a standard First Aid kit.
Have an operational fire extinguisher.


We need to know where you guys are going to meet us... We don't want anyone left behind and/or lost. :)

Wendys in Manassas @8:15 (Charles.... please add the address here)

or

Harrisonburg Sheetz @ 10:30
798 East Market Street
Harrisonburg, VA 22801

Last, bring a couple of trash bags... if we see trash, we will pick it up.

Tread Lightly!

Pedro

Based on the OCC siliness I'm out. You'll probably see me fishing if I'm back in town.

[cgalpin]

Based on the OCC siliness I'm out. You'll probably see me fishing if I'm back in town.

Huh? What's silly? Being prepared and responsible?

[130Tdi]

I heard Gustavo takes it in the butt.

Sounds like a new signature line.....

[Rugbier]

Hope all of you comedian have nice Level III vests *LOL*

[Roverhound]

Huh? What's silly? Being prepared and responsible?
Nope, the carrying around signed forms at all times in your vehicle.
EVERYONE attending needs to have these forms at all times.
Who are these to be presented too? Do you need to present your papers on command? If you don't carry your papers with you will you be shot as a spy? I've wheeled with OCC before and never had to have any forms. But at the time I was member of another club that never requires forms.
Talking about prepared, I went on the Valentines day run a couple of years ago with OCC. Guess who had the only chain saw?

[Ren Ching]

Sounds like Kevlar BVDs might not be a bad idea either.

Hope all of you comedian have nice Level III vests *LOL*

[Roverhound]

Sounds like Kevlar BVDs might not be a bad idea either.

Only if you forget your papers.
Have fun everyone. I might see you up there.
Don't forget a chainsaw. Its been pretty windy this week.

[cgalpin]

Look, put your big boy pants on for a minute. This is the first trail ride Pedro is leading, and he is just following the rules. Yes OCC requires non-members to bring waivers and medical forms with you and hand them to the trail leader. If you were not asked to do this before, then that person was not following the rules. I am guilty of doing this myself. But that doesn't make it silly, or a bad thing, or anything else that warrants your stupid reaction.

You can go to the OCC site and read about this yourself if interested.

Nope, the carrying around signed forms at all times in your vehicle.

Who are these to be presented too? Do you need to present your papers on command? If you don't carry your papers with you will you be shot as a spy? I've wheeled with OCC before and never had to have any forms. But at the time I was member of another club that never requires forms.
Talking about prepared, I went on the Valentines day run a couple of years ago with OCC. Guess who had the only chain saw?

[NoVaKevin]

im tentative right now. should be at hh tomorrow night.

no BS...about 3 years ago my buddies and I saw a stock saturn 2 door coupe make it to flagpole. then again, my guess was the driver (and passengers) werent exactly in a sober state of mind.

[rrc.swb]

Based on the OCC siliness I'm out. You'll probably see me fishing if I'm back in town.It's not silly... it's for everyone's safety and well being. The forms are there for YOUR protection. God forbid you fall and hit your head... who are we supposed to contact?

Huh? What's silly? Being prepared and responsible?x2

Nope, the carrying around signed forms at all times in your vehicle.

Who are these to be presented too? Do you need to present your papers on command? If you don't carry your papers with you will you be shot as a spy? I've wheeled with OCC before and never had to have any forms. But at the time I was member of another club that never requires forms.
Talking about prepared, I went on the Valentines day run a couple of years ago with OCC. Guess who had the only chain saw?I don't understand why you are bashing OCC... when Rausch Creek Off Road Park, Big Dogs and others ask for the same thing... :confused

http://www.rauschcreekoffroadpark.org/sis/mem.php

http://bigdogsoffroad.com/html/event_signup.html

[nathanwind]

I guess I can probably do without a front recovery point then...haven't had time to fit one to the front of my chassis yet.

[Roverhound]

What are you get so upset for? just told you to have fun. Enjoy your day. If you see me up there we can discuss my choice of pants. They will most likely be bdu's with hip waderws over them.

------ Follow up post added February 16th, 2011 09:30 AM ------

Sounds like Kevlar BVDs might not be a bad idea either.

Only if you forget your papers.
Have fun everyone. I might see you up there.
Don't forget a chainsaw. Its been pretty windy this week.

[rrc.swb]

Have fun everyone. I might see you up there.
Don't forget a chainsaw. Its been pretty windy this week.Thanks :toast

What are you get so upset for? just told you to have fun. Enjoy your day. If you see me up there we can discuss my choice of pants. They will most likely be bdu's with hip waderws over them.We are not upset... at least I'm not. (can safely bet Charles isn't either). See you at the top.:)

Don't forget a chainsaw. Its been pretty windy this week.Jeff, I heard at the meeting you have one... please bring it.

Thanks for the heads-up.

[cgalpin]

What are you get so upset for? just told you to have fun. Enjoy your day. If you see me up there we can discuss my choice of pants. They will most likely be bdu's with hip waderws over them.

I'm not upset, but I find your comments immature and asinine (although amusing that you won't recant or defend them). I look forward to meeting you and discussing that in person.

We'll have fun thanks, and you too. Be safe.

charles
p.s. Yes I know at least one person is bringing a chain saw.

[Roverhound]

What do I need to defend or recant? The idea behind your forms are sound and requiring people to have that stuff is fine too even for a trail ride on fire roads. What I find silly is requiring them to have the papers on them. I don't get this.

[cgalpin]

Ok, I'll explain.

One form is a liability waiver which you have to sign. It says you won't sue OCC if you get hurt etc. Standard stuff. How do you propose this signed form gets given to the club? In person is quite reasonable - do you find that silly?

The other form is a medical form to better give you assistance if you get hurt. You can list medications you are alergic to, give a point of contact etc. You keep this in your truck so if you hurt youself, someone can find it - do you find that silly?

And are these so onerous (or "silly") that they are reasons to not join a group of like minded people wheeling? THAT I find silly :)

[Roverhound]

Ok, I'll explain.

One form is a liability waiver which you have to sign. It says you won't sue OCC if you get hurt etc. Standard stuff. How do you propose this signed form gets given to the club? In person is quite reasonable - do you find that silly?

The other form is a medical form to better give you assistance if you get hurt. You can list medications you are alergic to, give a point of contact etc. You keep this in your truck so if you hurt youself, someone can find it - do you find that silly?

And are these so onerous (or "silly") that they are reasons to not join a group of like minded people wheeling? THAT I find silly :)

If someone wants to sue they will Sue. This is unfortunate but it happens. That signed piece of paper will mean nothing in court. The medical thing isn't a bad idea either but don't they have bracelets for this?
Just to mention, I am a member of SV4W.

[Rugbier]

I guess I can probably do without a front recovery point then...haven't had time to fit one to the front of my chassis yet.


You do have a recovery point on your frame ( IIRC )

------ Follow up post added February 16th, 2011 10:47 AM ------

What are you get so upset for? just told you to have fun. Enjoy your day. If you see me up there we can discuss my choice of pants. They will most likely be bdu's with hip waderws over them.

------ Follow up post added February 16th, 2011 09:30 AM ------



Only if you forget your papers.
Have fun everyone. I might see you up there.
Don't forget a chainsaw. Its been pretty windy this week.

Walter, please don't wear the Pink Camo pants.... Chapman will be jealous and looking for you :)

[cgalpin]

If someone wants to sue they will Sue. This is unfortunate but it happens. That signed piece of paper will mean nothing in court.
If you think it means nothing, then you should be happy to sign one right?

The medical thing isn't a bad idea either but don't they have bracelets for this?
How about you go look at the form and see if you could fit more than 10% of the info on a bracelet. It's a lot more useful than a bracelet.

Just to mention, I am a member of SV4W.
Great, but not relevant to the discussion at hand.

So I still don't get what is silly, so silly in fact that you object to wheeling with us and make a point of it. You say you have wheeled with OCC before - was it a bad experience? Please don't take this as me trying to get you to come. I really don't care, and based on your arguments perhaps it's best you don't, but your position still strikes me as strange at best. If you don't want to wheel with us that's great - just say so :)

[Roverhound]

If you think it means nothing, then you should be happy to sign one right?


How about you go look at the form and see if you could fit more than 10% of the info on a bracelet. It's a lot more useful than a bracelet.


Great, but not relevant to the discussion at hand.

So I still don't get what is silly, so silly in fact that you object to wheeling with us and make a point of it. You say you have wheeled with OCC before - was it a bad experience? Please don't take this as me trying to get you to come. I really don't care, and based on your arguments perhaps it's best you don't, but your position still strikes me as strange at best. If you don't want to wheel with us that's great - just say so :)
Sorry. I didn't realize this was an OCC run. I thought it was just some people getting together to wheel. This is where I thought forms would be silly. Since this is a club run, your forms make a little more sense to me. Have a great time.

[jefhuf]

charles
p.s. Yes I know at least one person is bringing a chain saw.

did you buy one yet? I need a new chain if I am going to bring mine and not sure I will have time to get one before we roll.

Charles, if you are going to buy one this week, let me know as I will give you the specs on mine so you can get me a chain!

[cgalpin]

No, got too much going to to make the time to go get one. My friend/neighbor Ed is bringing his.

[jefhuf]

good...if I get time I will grab a new chain or two but good to have one just in case.

[disco dog]

Erase my pencil me in. Have fun!!

[dchapman]

I did not know this was an OCC trail ride. I'm totally out if that's the case.

But if I ever do get hurt on the trail and I don't have my papers, just give the investigating officer my license plate number, or my wallet, or my cell phone, or my registration....I have a feeling they'll know what to do.

[cgalpin]

LOL, whatever Dan. Like you were coming anyway. Is this a southern VA thing? :finger

[nathanwind]

Virginia: Addition to Earlier Alert Today, Governor McDonnell Issues Directive
to Allow Lawful Carry in State Parks!

Earlier today, the National Rifle Association sent out an incomplete alert about Governor Robert F. McDonnell's recent changes to Virginia's Administrative Code.

On January 14, Governor McDonnell issued a directive to the Department of Conservation and Recreation to cease enforcement of §4VAC5-30-200 (http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+reg+4VAC5-30-200) which prohibits open carrying of firearms in State Parks and has immediate effect.

In September of 2008, as Attorney General, Bob McDonnell issued an opinion (http://www.oag.state.va.us/OPINIONS/2008opns/08-043-Cuccinelli.pdf) that the Department of Conservation and Recreation lacked specific legislative authorization to further regulate firearms.

In order for the regulatory change to conform to his previous opinion (http://www.oag.state.va.us/OPINIONS/2008opns/08-043-Cuccinelli.pdf) and current law, Governor McDonnell also directed that §4VAC5-30-200 is exempt from the normal Executive branch review process.

http://www.nraila.org/News/Read/InTheNews.aspx?id=14664

[dchapman]

LOL, whatever Dan. Like you were coming anyway. Is this a southern VA thing? :finger

You're right that I probably would not come anyway. There are a number of reasons for that. First, I'm on call for work that day and need to stay within reasonable proximity of town. Second, I live here and have rode those trails since I was 15 years old and know them like the back of my hand. Those trail do not excite me unless they're covered in several inches, or feet, of snow. In other words, they're boring. I'm glad we have the trails that we have and I do all that I can to keep what we have open. But lets face it, those trails are boring.

That's not to mean I do not enjoy those trails. I love those trails. Those trails allow you to get away from everything and offer a very nice place to just go for a drive on. In the Spring and Fall those trails are really something to see. During hunting season I use those trails regularity and I'm appreciative that they're there.

But this time of year everything is dead. It's brown. Its been so warm that there is no snow or ice to spice things up or create a winter scene worth seeing.

If there was some snow on the ground, or if it were the time of year when the Laurel is in bloom, I'd be a lot more likely to find someone to cover my shift, or take a chance on getting called in to work and hit the mountains anyway. But it's not. I would be much more interested in sitting at a bar drinking beer talking to random people about random things.

I did not know this was an OCC trail ride. I think your "papers" are a bit funny, but I like the fact a club is setting an example of how to go prepared into the woods. This is what clubs are about -- teaching the Newb about preparedness and trail etiquette. Obviously, drinking on the trail is not a good trail etiquette. I would not believe in teaching Newbs it's okay to drink on the trail, in fact, I'd teach otherwise. So if I'm not going to promote drinking on the trail with Newbs, I'm also not going to participate in teaching Newbs how to go to the bar and get a few drinking before driving home on the street. If it's not okay in the mountains before driving around, why is it okay in a bar before going home?

This is not to say I do not enjoy a drink on the trail, and it does not mean I do not enjoy a drink before going home. Under the right circumstances I do, and other times I do out of bad judgment. But if I were in a club, which I'm not, I would not teach this behavior and I'm not going to push it on your club.

Should I ever want to participate in one of your club activities, I'll be sure to get my mom to sign a permission slip, though.

[Roverhound]

Virginia: Addition to Earlier Alert Today, Governor McDonnell Issues Directive



to Allow Lawful Carry in State Parks!


Earlier today, the National Rifle Association sent out an incomplete alert about Governor Robert F. McDonnell's recent changes to Virginia's Administrative Code.

On January 14, Governor McDonnell issued a directive to the Department of Conservation and Recreation to cease enforcement of §4VAC5-30-200 (http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+reg+4VAC5-30-200) which prohibits open carrying of firearms in State Parks and has immediate effect.

In September of 2008, as Attorney General, Bob McDonnell issued an opinion (http://www.oag.state.va.us/OPINIONS/2008opns/08-043-Cuccinelli.pdf) that the Department of Conservation and Recreation lacked specific legislative authorization to further regulate firearms.

In order for the regulatory change to conform to his previous opinion (http://www.oag.state.va.us/OPINIONS/2008opns/08-043-Cuccinelli.pdf) and current law, Governor McDonnell also directed that §4VAC5-30-200 is exempt from the normal Executive branch review process.

http://www.nraila.org/News/Read/InTheNews.aspx?id=14664
This is good but to carry outside of hunting season in the National Forest you do need a concealed carry permit.

[kiefffff]

Hey Dan and Walter. We will be in the GWNF the 25th to the 27th if you want to camp. Going to the usual spot just past the swisher dam. Should be about 10 of us. Mike V and Dan P will be there as well as a bunch of other hooligans.

Anyone else is welcome also. Just bring some booze.

[nathanwind]

This is good but to carry outside of hunting season in the National Forest you do need a concealed carry permit.

I've got one, and I think a few others do as well. But that's a good point, I didn't realize that was a prerequisite...though keep in mind that in Virginia, open carry is totally legal as well so I don't see why that wouldn't also apply. And, also keep in mind that due to the recent change in the law this past July it actually is LEGAL to have a firearm in either your glovebox or any "closed container" in the vehicle without a conceal carry permit (in Virginia that is):

MOTOR VEHICLES AND VESSELS (House Bill 885)
For those who do not have a CHP, starting July 1 they can have a loaded handgun with them concealed in their motor vehicle or vessel as long as the handgun is secured in a container (such as a zipped bag, closed gun case, closed briefcase, etc.) or in a compartment (glovebox, console, etc.).

NOTE: Remember that if you don't have a CHP, you generally can't carry a handgun in such a closed container OUTSIDE of your motor vehicle or vessel.

http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?id=5943

[Roverhound]

I've got one, and I think a few others do as well. But that's a good point, I didn't realize that was a prerequisite...though keep in mind that in Virginia, open carry is totally legal as well so I don't see why that wouldn't also apply. And, also keep in mind that due to the recent change in the law this past July it actually is LEGAL to have a firearm in either your glovebox or any "closed container" in the vehicle without a conceal carry permit (in Virginia that is):

MOTOR VEHICLES AND VESSELS (House Bill 885)
For those who do not have a CHP, starting July 1 they can have a loaded handgun with them concealed in their motor vehicle or vessel as long as the handgun is secured in a container (such as a zipped bag, closed gun case, closed briefcase, etc.) or in a compartment (glovebox, console, etc.).

NOTE: Remember that if you don't have a CHP, you generally can't carry a handgun in such a closed container OUTSIDE of your motor vehicle or vessel.

http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?id=5943
On federal lands federal law prevails and the feds have an agreement with VA to allow carry in the NF but only with a CCP when no hunting season is in.
The second exception to this law allows people with a concealed weapon permit to carry a loaded, concealed, handgun either on their person or in their vehicle while on National Forest. This does not apply if the person is engaged in a primitive weapons season or chase only season.
http://www.fs.fed.us/outernet/r8/gwj/general_info/faq.shtml#firearms
Because of the amount of time I spend in the NF this is one of the main reasons I got my permit.

------ Follow up post added February 18th, 2011 03:37 AM ------

Hey Dan and Walter. We will be in the GWNF the 25th to the 27th if you want to camp. Going to the usual spot just past the swisher dam. Should be about 10 of us. Mike V and Dan P will be there as well as a bunch of other hooligans.

Anyone else is welcome also. Just bring some booze.
I'll try to be there. It would be good to see you guys again.

------ Follow up post added February 18th, 2011 04:43 AM ------

One other thing. If you are a holder of a Maryland CCP, which is doubtful as the state lawmakers embrace statism, it will not be recognized in the state of Virginia since they do not have reciprocity.
I;m in Maryland right now and not carrying. I would rather face street thugs then law enforcement thugs.

[quick128]

I would rather face street thugs then law enforcement thugs.

what are you trying to say?

[Roverhound]

what are you trying to say?
You're a thug.:)
Maryland state troopers aren't exactly known for thier public relations.

[dchapman]

Hey Dan and Walter. We will be in the GWNF the 25th to the 27th if you want to camp. Going to the usual spot just past the swisher dam. Should be about 10 of us. Mike V and Dan P will be there as well as a bunch of other hooligans.

Anyone else is welcome also. Just bring some booze.

I'll be camping/wheeling in Canadensis, PA that weekend.

[Rugbier]

On federal lands federal law prevails and the feds have an agreement with VA to allow carry in the NF but only with a CCP when no hunting season is in.
The second exception to this law allows people with a concealed weapon permit to carry a loaded, concealed, handgun either on their person or in their vehicle while on National Forest. This does not apply if the person is engaged in a primitive weapons season or chase only season.
http://www.fs.fed.us/outernet/r8/gwj/general_info/faq.shtml#firearms
Because of the amount of time I spend in the NF this is one of the main reasons I got my permit.

------ Follow up post added February 18th, 2011 03:37 AM ------


I'll try to be there. It would be good to see you guys again.

------ Follow up post added February 18th, 2011 04:43 AM ------

One other thing. If you are a holder of a Maryland CCP, which is doubtful as the state lawmakers embrace statism, it will not be recognized in the state of Virginia since they do not have reciprocity.
I;m in Maryland right now and not carrying. I would rather face street thugs then law enforcement thugs.


Walter, most residents of the Communist Republik of Marylandistan that hold CCW ( CCP ) are most likely to hold one non resident from VA as well as FL and UT, so they will be cover, sadly , not such benefit exist for residents of other states when visiting Commiland

[nathanwind]

Walter, most residents of the Communist Republik of Marylandistan that hold CCW ( CCP ) are most likely to hold one non resident from VA as well as FL and UT, so they will be cover, sadly , not such benefit exist for residents of other states when visiting Commiland

http://www.co.centre.pa.us/sheriff/license_to_carry.pdf
For those looking for the easiest reciprocity CCW, Pennsylvania is a $26 fee to send in the app and you get a full carry permit that then gives you VA/etc. Link is above, and they generally get the permit back to you within 7-10 days after you send the paperwork in.

[LRNAD90]

Maryland state troopers aren't exactly known for thier public relations.

Where ever did you get that idea? (http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/crime/blog/2010/05/state_police_charge_motorcycli.html) LOL!

[Rugbier]

LMAO... they are pretty happy with the trigger ... but there is a nice cure for those Cowboys..... in the middle of the BS ask them .. AM I FREE TO GO? they look at you like you have 2 heads.... they might cite you... but ....no more testasterone display

[rrc.swb]

back to the subject at hand...

Jason and I will be heading down and meet ya'll at Sheetz.

[cgalpin]

Jonathan, Danny and Carlos, if you are coming, let me know if you are meeting at Sheetz in Harrisonburg or Wendy's in Manassas. Actually let me know if you are not coming too.

------ Follow up post added February 18th, 2011 04:55 PM ------

You too Clay, and Doug S

[carlosz]

Im in see you at h'burg, according to Pedro it is 10:30 am at sheetz, do not know the exact location of it as i will be driving from massanutten.
in any case my cell ph 703-786-2920

[hillstrubl]

Jonathan, Danny and Carlos, if you are coming, let me know if you are meeting at Sheetz in Harrisonburg or Wendy's in Manassas. Actually let me know if you are not coming too.

------ Follow up post added February 18th, 2011 04:55 PM ------

You too Clay, and Doug S

Its looking like I'll meet you guys @ Sheetz in harrisonburg. I'll be there.

[Roverhound]

I passed by the Sheetz and saw you guys there. I was going to stop on my way back but you were gone.
I'm sorry you didn't meet me but not as sorry as you are.:)

[rrc.swb]

It's official... I'm selling my Disco and I'm buying a CR-V.

It was great seeing you guys.

Kudos to Ed (Sonoros), he's the King of the Mountain...

[Rugbier]

i'll give $ 50.00 for the Disco.... considering it is never on the road I say is a great offer

[nathanwind]

Most extreme shots of the day:

(PS - Ed...I'm going to have to insist that you immediately put some pic of the CRV in as your avatar)

[rrc.swb]

i'll give $ 50.00 for the Disco.... considering it is never on the road I say is a great offer$50 is a sweet offer. But, I'll never that to you... I consider you my friend.

[hillstrubl]

Most extreme shots of the day:

(PS - Ed...I'm going to have to insist that you immediately put some pic of the CRV in as your avatar)
has the clutch recovered?

had a great time, will post all the pics we took shortly.

[nathanwind]

Here's a link to the pics I took:
GWNF_02.19.11 (http://www.lavenders.org/docs/GWNF_02.19.11.zip)

However, fair WARNING...I didn't trim out any of them so this zip file is like 500mb. Just make sure you choose to "Save" rather than "Open" and delete at your desire.

[Rugbier]

Here's a link to the pics I took:
GWNF_02.19.11 (http://www.lavenders.org/docs/GWNF_02.19.11.zip)

However, fair WARNING...I didn't trim out any of them so this zip file is like 500mb. Just make sure you choose to "Save" rather than "Open" and delete at your desire.

Wouldn't be easier to open the file for public access on your site?

[nathanwind]

Wouldn't be easier to open the file for public access on your site?

My plan is trim things down and to post them in an album format once I get the other pics from Ed, but figured I'd just upload the "raw" files for now in case anyone (like me) wanted access to them all.

[kiefffff]

I'll try to be there. It would be good to see you guys again.

Cool. Its been a while. Make sure you make it out. No wheeling, just camping. I have the FJ.

------ Follow up post added February 22nd, 2011 12:36 AM ------

I'll be camping/wheeling in Canadensis, PA that weekend.

Next time then. Have fun in PA.

[Roverhound]

Cool. Its been a while. Make sure you make it out. No wheeling, just camping. I have the FJ.

------ Follow up post added February 22nd, 2011 12:36 AM ------



Next time then. Have fun in PA.
I'll bring the proper forms.

[sonoronos]

Sorry for the wait guys, here are the best pics I could find in the photos I took. (Keep in mind that most of the photos are not much different from each other, and there are lots of out of focus and uninteresting ones. I like to make sure you get some visually exciting stuff, or include faces so the pictures have meaning.)

http://media.backpurge.com/02222011/

I hope you enjoy the pictures. I had a great time on the trail with all of you.

Jason, I am setting your picture of me to my avatar!

[nathanwind]

Ed - send me the full pics, or I will hunt you down like the dog you are!

------ Follow up post added February 24th, 2011 09:16 PM ------

NOTE: I have to admit, the wide-angle lens you were using is the coolest thing I have ever seen. Nice work...

------ Follow up post added February 24th, 2011 09:20 PM ------

PPS - Ed...your avatar is still not showing, get to work!

------ Follow up post added February 24th, 2011 09:22 PM ------

PPPS - Ed, you are now the official team Historian. I expect you to also document my drunken belligerence at the next happy hour.

[hillstrubl]

wow, this is a fantastic pic of "James May" (Rover's name) - thanks Ed

[cgalpin]

Great pictures Ed, thanks!

I'm shocked at the lack of razzing for Lavendar. I'll start - I haven't seem anyone get stuck that easy in a long time, but also haven't seen anyone look that cool getting stuck either :)

[nathanwind]

Never let them see you sweat! Plus, I had Pedro along so I didn't even have to get out of the truck...

[rijosho]

I haven't seem anyone get stuck that easy in a long time

I was just looking through the pics. What happened?? It looks like you were pretty level...what were you stuck on?

[nathanwind]

Ice, Ice, Baby. Ice Capades. The Jeffersons on Ice (I love Sherman Hemsley!).

[rijosho]

Ed, pics look great, btw.

Two questions:

-Jeff, truck looks good. What happened to your winch?

-What kind of dog is that grey puppy?

[NoVaKevin]

It looks like a blue pit bull to me. And damn, that tan one is massive.

Ed, pics look great, btw.

Two questions:

-Jeff, truck looks good. What happened to your winch?

-What kind of dog is that grey puppy?

[nathanwind]

-Jeff, truck looks good. What happened to your winch?

Not to overstep my bounds, but I believe Jeff's winch has been on his workbench waiting for a rebuild for quite awhile.

[cgalpin]

It's moved to a box on the floor.

[rrc.swb]

It went from Charles garage to Jeff's work bench... It's like the Equipe Diff guard.

[nathanwind]

Pedro, not to change the subject but I heard you are doing a Paddocks order. I may add a diff guard or two onto there, been having trouble finding one for my Salisbury rear (though I'm not sure if I'm going to go with a Qt or the one Paddocks has). When are you placing the order?

[rrc.swb]

Ed, pics look great, btw.

Two questions:

-Jeff, truck looks good. What happened to your winch?

-What kind of dog is that grey puppy?


On a work bench
Pitbull


------ Follow up post added February 25th, 2011 11:58 AM ------

Pedro, not to change the subject but I heard you are doing a Paddocks order. I may add a diff guard or two onto there, been having trouble finding one for my Salisbury rear (though I'm not sure if I'm going to go with a Qt or the one Paddocks has). When are you placing the order?You heard?? I emailed you directly, didn't I? Sorry if I forgot.

I have other things going on and I'm pussy footing on that one... I'm ordering over $1k in crap that I don't need.

Goose and Doug S need stuff also, so I don't know. Maybe I'll let the person ordering the big stuff be the lead guy and I just tag along too. With nut's and bolts.

http://www.paddockspares.com/pp/OFF_ROAD/Protection/Diff_Guard_-_Galvanised_-_Salisbury_rear_axle.html

[cgalpin]

On a work bench
For the record I had nothing to do with the QT diff guard saga. Jeff should chime in but I believe he sold or is selling his winch. The one in the box on the floor of his garage is a partially rebuilt 8247 that you helped me with sand blasting, now destined for the lelo truck.

Pitbull

If we had a decent trail leader he'd post a trip report and explain this kind of stuff. On the way up we ran into a group from the "poor x 4" club down in the Norfolk area. They didn't know the area and were looking for a friend they were supposed to meet up with. We told them our plans and they tagged along with us. One of them had these dogs and they were very well trained and quite sweet. The tan one was trained to fetch beer from a fridge - my kind of dog!

I have other things going on and I'm pussy footing on that one... I'm ordering over $1k in crap that I don't need.

Remind me how this is any different from any of your other orders?

Goose and Doug S need stuff also, so I don't know. Maybe I'll let the person ordering the big stuff be the lead guy and I just tag along too.
Modus operandi for Pedro :finger

[rrc.swb]

If we had a decent trail leader he'd post a trip report and explain this kind of stuff:finger
Remind me how this is any different from any of your other orders?
:finger:finger
Modus operandi for Pedro :finger:finger:finger:finger

[hillstrubl]

Pedro, not to change the subject but I heard you are doing a Paddocks order. I may add a diff guard or two onto there, been having trouble finding one for my Salisbury rear (though I'm not sure if I'm going to go with a Qt or the one Paddocks has). When are you placing the order?
wouldn't any inexpensive Dana 60 cover work?

I may want to add some flip-up side steps (yes, i talk about them all the time, haha) now that i bent the sh*t out of my 1 remaining one (pretty sure it was THIS (http://media.backpurge.com/02222011/OB3D5789.jpg) rock) , I have an excuse to replace with ones not rusted in the down position.

[rrc.swb]

I'm not placing shit now... :evilfinge

[jefhuf]

For the record I had nothing to do with the QT diff guard saga. Jeff should chime in but I believe he sold or is selling his winch. The one in the box on the floor of his garage is a partially rebuilt 8247 that you helped me with sand blasting, now destined for the lelo truck.



Glapin is correct...I have a Milemarker 8000 that works fine but I stole a Warn 8274 from his garage (and moved the box to my garage!). Hopefully the 8274 build will be completed in the next couple of weeks and then I will be letting the Milemarker go...it will be officially up for sale soon but if anyone wants it, $250 takes it! Replaced a solenoid and has a brand new cable

[Wolf Fabrication]

Pedro, not to change the subject but I heard you are doing a Paddocks order. I may add a diff guard or two onto there, been having trouble finding one for my Salisbury rear (though I'm not sure if I'm going to go with a Qt or the one Paddocks has). When are you placing the order?

Don't waste your $$ on a diff guard, go with a welded steel HD Dana 60 cover. They are all over eBay.

[Rugbier]

Don't waste your $$ on a diff guard, go with a welded steel HD Dana 60 cover. They are all over eBay.


or here

http://www.undercoverfab.com/fabricated-differential-covers/29-dana-60-hd-diff-cover.html

or ARB

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ARB-DANA-60-REAREND-DIFF-DIFFERENTIAL-COVER-RED-NODULAR-/270450793359?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3ef81f9b8f#ht_500wt_750

[hillstrubl]

Some pics from my passenger's camera

[nathanwind]

Danny - nice pics! Where the heck was that one of me all by my lonesome in the woods?

Can you email me hi-res images to jasonlavender -at- gmail.com?

[hillstrubl]

Danny - nice pics! Where the heck was that one of me all by my lonesome in the woods?

Can you email me hi-res images to jasonlavender -at- gmail.com?

Haha, I think it was right before you hit your nemesis... the ice patch.

sent.

[nathanwind]

Got 'em...thanks man! Shortly I'll assemble everything into a Picasa album and will shoot out a link to everyone.

[Rugbier]

I think Jason, definitely has pwn'd the Title Vanilla Ice *LMAO*

[nathanwind]

I think Jason, definitely has pwn'd the Title Vanilla Ice *LMAO*

Dude, you missed my self-deprecation by 20 posts :)
http://www.d-90.com/forum/showpost.php?p=268225&postcount=138

[Rugbier]

Dude, you missed my self-deprecation by 20 posts :)
http://www.d-90.com/forum/showpost.php?p=268225&postcount=138

Nope..did not miss it...simply keeping alive *LOL*

[rrc.swb]

I know I'm going to get dragged into the pit... wait for it... wait for it....

[Rugbier]

I know I'm going to get dragged into the pit... wait for it... wait for it....

Nothing to wait for..... I mean ... you were the navigator who directed him into the slide...


Need I say more?

[rrc.swb]

Nothing to wait for..... I mean ... you were the navigator who directed him into the slide...


Need I say more?:rolleyes

[nathanwind]

It's true, we were re-enacting that episode of Top Gear where they had the driver blind-folded and the passenger gave all of the verbal commands. I did forget to mention that.

[rrc.swb]

It's true, we were re-enacting that episode of Top Gear where they had the driver blind-folded and the passenger gave all of the verbal commands. I did forget to mention that.Come to think of it... we did great.

[carlosz]

amateurs......

[rrc.swb]

amateurs......:evilfinge