200tdi D110 Camel Trophy 65k

[Eric Siepmann]

Not quite as bad as the 80k NAS D-90, and you even get a free video with purchase!

http://www.skytoprover.com/camel1.htm

[TDI Guy]

That price will crash heavily if they bring the CKD 110 kits into the country...

[Tawayama]

Makes me wonder what my CrewCab is 'worth'.

He'll never get 65K for it IMO.

[Eric Siepmann]

A sucker is born every minute....

Maybe the Hilfiger Girls will find it easier to drive and plunk down their dad's cash, if he still has any after buying the Enzo ....

[rover4x4]

I am sure he has some left over. 65k for a truck thats been wheeled pretty hard I dont think so. you could build your own for that much i suppose

[jperakis]

i know this is a d90 board... but speaking of the enzo. oh man what a car! i saw one yesterday and i nearly crashed because i was starring at it for so long. that thing is amazing! possibly the only car id trade my 90 in for. just kidding id never trade her in :)

[read]

I hear an oil change only costs $800. :zbling
you must use a special oil from Shell @ $80 a quart.

[rover4x4]

You think so? why is it special? I think the new M3's require some similar "special" motor oil that naturally is $$ and availible thru the dealers. I guess if you can afford one of those cars you can afford the up keep

[Eric Siepmann]

And I thought AMSOIL and a K&N Filter was on the pricey side.

A brake job for the enzo goes for $4,500.

[rover4x4]

then there is the honda accord or the toyota pickup....

[read]

if you want the engine to be covered by the factory warranty you must use the oil. cost for engine replacement... 20 - 25K. don't even think about the cost of brake pads and rotors... your brain will hurt.

[Glenn_Guinto]

Read, if you got that info from the Car and Driver TV, then those figures you have were typos, I heard that the replacement engine was anywhere from $200K - $250K. Regardless, still very expensive!:eek:

"...If you have to ask... you can't afford it..." ;)

-Glenn

[dmarchand]

Huh? :confused

Carbon fiber brake rotors aren't cheap? :cool:

Who would have thought that...

[read]

glen- that is a typo. thanks looks like my "0" key is intermittent... just like my stereo ;)

[globallandrovers]

In the UK ex Camel Trophy vehicles cost normally around £12,000 for an early 110 to £20,000+ for the later Disco's and Defenders. Thats from $22,680 to $37,800.
Then there's shipping so $65k is may be a little dear, but they have to make a living don't they.

After all some people in the US are paying over $50,000 for early 110's rebuilt by british companies made to look like new defenders. (there was a silver one on ebay last week). He was conned, it was a 1987 ex MOD truck with a defender body.

With the bad exchange rate, an approx cost of a basic new 2005 300tdi Defender 110 station wagon with a florida title (grey), is approx $60,000. From a dealer in Georgia I have found, prices go up from there.

Its always nice to meet yanks who appreciate a good British truck!

[Eric Siepmann]

In the UK ex Camel Trophy vehicles cost normally around £12,000 for an early 110 to £20,000+ for the later Disco's and Defenders. Thats from $22,680 to $37,800.
Then there's shipping so $65k is may be a little dear, but they have to make a living don't they.

After all some people in the US are paying over $50,000 for early 110's rebuilt by british companies made to look like new defenders. (there was a silver one on ebay last week). He was conned, it was a 1987 ex MOD truck with a defender body.

With the bad exchange rate, an approx cost of a basic new 2005 300tdi Defender 110 station wagon with a florida title (grey), is approx $60,000. From a dealer in Georgia I have found, prices go up from there.

Its always nice to meet yanks who appreciate a good British truck!

The cost for that truck has more to do with getting it certified than making a living (I spoke with them in length about it and checked their references). The 110 on Ebay was profit motivated and not driven by the costs to get the US DOT Cert. Anyone trying to make money off of grey market vehicles isn't making a living. They're technically just breaking federal US law. Who wants to have their truck impounded and exported/or crushed? And loose their money on top of that? And who wants to do business with someone who has knowingly broken the law?

EwS

[globallandrovers]

You are only breaking the law if you:
1) use a series identity to bring it in
2) use a US D90/110 identity off a witten off vehicle
3) Bring it in from canada and give it a doggy title (see above)

There a at least two cheap legal ways to bring them in The Gerogia company uses one of the ways,
the other is to allow a european friend to come over with his 'defender' to the US for a vacation, if he had a brake down and it was uneconomic to repair it, it can be legally sold as 'parts' and re registered as either a kit or a rebuild in most states.
The other expensive way is to bring it and declare it and get it certified by the US dot. The georgia company can offer this too.

[chrisvonc]

Gabor has it priced like that because he not really all into selling it according to those that know him. If someone walks up with $65K then he'll sell it, if not no biggie.

[JimC]

Lets establish one more time that the official government websites that pertain to the importation of vehicles are nhtsa.gov and epa.gov.

Lets not spread misinformation and loopholes as "methods."

[Eric Siepmann]

You are only breaking the law if you:
1) use a series identity to bring it in
2) use a US D90/110 identity off a witten off vehicle
3) Bring it in from canada and give it a doggy title (see above)

There a at least two cheap legal ways to bring them in The Gerogia company uses one of the ways,
the other is to allow a european friend to come over with his 'defender' to the US for a vacation, if he had a brake down and it was uneconomic to repair it, it can be legally sold as 'parts' and re registered as either a kit or a rebuild in most states.
The other expensive way is to bring it and declare it and get it certified by the US dot. The georgia company can offer this too.

(EDITED out entire rant about something that has been discussed to death)

Uh huh.

I agreee with Jim. And add that remember those trucks that were imported, seized byt he federal government, stripped and auctioned?

What a wonderful loophole!

EwS

[Ragland]

Has anyone read the list of vehicles granted a status stating something on the order that they are suitable for grey-market conversion. I noticed it mentioned the '93 110. It is on the NHTSA site. Does anyone know what this status really translates to, practically speaking?

[Glenn_Guinto]

From what I understand, the grey-market conversion basically fitting all kinds of NAS related components, ie: CATs, side marker lights, etc. SMOG certifications and DOT certifications (whatever those are).

All I know is, you can go through the process legitimately, provided it's a 1993, but be prepared to have deep, very deep pockets. And I think that's what the guy from Skytop Rover did. I'm sure if you were to import a good condition 1993 CT 110 yourself, it'll be way more than that $65K asking price. That's were I draw the line IMHO... I mean, they're cool trucks but not $65K cool!

[JimC]

Vehicles are added to that list based on application made by an importer or simply the initiative of the officials that regulate the list.

To be imported, a vehicle has to be either 1) substantially similar to a US spec vehicle of the same year, or 2) capable of being modified to meet the requirement. The Defender 110 has a VSP number, which means that it is importable because there was a 1993 NAS Defender 110. Presumably you would have to add the NAS equipment like the roll cage.

Note that the NHTSA rules only apply to the car itself, not the engine. The engine is regulated by the EPA. Thus, as long as a 1993 Defender 110 diesel could pass the importation emissions test, it would be importable. Naturally, the best approach would be importing a v8 set up with NAS emissions system components.

I have intimate experience with this process because I imported a 1995 BMW 540 Touring (station wagon) from Germany in 2002. The 5 series wagon was sold in the states, and the 540 was also offered, however, there was no US spec 1995 540 station wagon. The car was eligible for importation as being "substantially similar" under VSP 194 and the egine passed emissions. So in that respect I was able to "mix and match" to get a car that was never sold int he states.

Importing stuff that way (where very few modifications are required) cost on the average, 10k per vehicle (assuming it passes the emissions test).