new defenders on LRX from Canada

[exmodlad]

just saw these.......hmmmmmm????????

Gord

specify Canada in your search

[JimC]

It probably the same folks who have a 110 on ebay right now. Their ad claims they can import it into washington by disassembling it. Sounds too good to be completely legit.

[dmarchand]

You mean like this?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2453100248&category=14746

I do like the rear seat setup. That silver looks sharp.

Or this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2453124634&category=14746


One can only dream...

I do like this one very much. I wonder how I could get that titled and registered here:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2453149627&category=14746

[Mike Hippert]

Dave I never new you liked STs. I think all the 5 bar looks good! I also like the color.

[dante18]

Does the word "replikit" or "assembled vehicle" sound an alarm for anyone else? I wonder if they could supply a VIN for it? And no warranty should speak volumes about whether or not this is an actual factory vehicle or a kitcar. I wonder?
Although the 110 with the softop is pretty cool I could have fun in that.

[Tom Morrison]

Check out the Defenders for sale thread on the Rover Landers of BC board

http://www.openroad.ca/landrover/classifieds/index.mv

[KeithD]

The first two defenders surely cannot be registered - they are 2003 vehicles plain and simple. The thirds should be OK as it is C registered in UK (1985). Nice rig, oughta go for $30,000 at least.

[Chris Cox]

I don't know if the company is legit, but the procedure they propose will work. The price of the vehicle includes reassembly and titling in the state of Washington. I checked into doing this, and 99% of the people that will help you do this, remove the VIN tags because truck is sold for parts only. Therefore, you get a state issued VIN as a kit car, and have no problems. The warranty would not apply, as the car was not "manufactured" by LR.

[exmodlad]

Keith
I have personally seen the 110 soft top......and it would be in your wildest dreams you could you buy that truck for $30,000....maybe double that......MAYBE!!!!!

Gord

[exmodlad]

also the 110s on the Roverlanders website are the same trucks.....

Gord

[cdn_expedition_co]

Originally posted by dante18
Does the word "replikit" or "assembled vehicle" sound an alarm for anyone else? I wonder if they could supply a VIN for it? And no warranty should speak volumes about whether or not this is an actual factory vehicle or a kitcar. I wonder?
Although the 110 with the softop is pretty cool I could have fun in that.

Anyone with more than a week's experince with Defenders in the NA market knows that it is impossible to import a complete vehicle. The only legal way is to disassemble the vehicle, import it as auto parts, re-assemble it and register it as an "assembled vehicle" (US) or "replikit" (BC). As such, the VIN on the vehicle is ignored and the authorities assign it one (in the US it's usually the State Patrol after they do a stolen vehicle/parts check, in BC it's ICBC)

These are factory vehicles produced for UK export markets. The reason there is no warranty is because Land Rover doesn't sell these into the North American market.

I am acquiring a number of them for an expedition company, and as I'm already going through the arduous task of getting them here thought I'd make some surplus models available to other Defender fans. If you don't think it's legit, don't buy one :tounge Doesn't matter to me, I'll have mine :cool:

You'll undoubtedly see the eBay auctions disappear soon. Seems some other naysayer, with a vested interest in preventing new vehicles entering the US market has complained to eBay stating that importation is illegal. eBay, having received the complaint cancelled the 110 SW auction. I'm sure the others will soon suffer the same fate.

Since listing, I've had about 200 e-mails from the US:

- can I get this in the US?
- why don't they have automatics?
- can I get one in green?
- this isn't legal?
- is this as a good as a Jeep?
- etc.,etc.

Makes me wonder why I bothered :confused

[Tawayama]

You bothered because you saw a way to:

1. Make some money
2. Recoup the time/effort you went through to get your own trucks
3. Help another misguided LR-desperate newbie get their own dream truck

Not to mention you probably care too much (I know I do).

You'll sell them, but you're going to get a LOT of tire kickers.

I had people e-mailing me asking if I sold CKD kits and the only thing I ever did was post information and pics from SEMA on my site.

Sheeshe.

EDIT: One thing you might consider is offering them in their dissasembled state. Make sure they know they're buying a dissasembled vehicle, but that it is enough parts for a complete vehicle that will run if assembled correctly.

You'll be able to sell them easier (IMO), the buyer will have an easier time registering it in their own state (IMO), but you'll have to charge a little less (but have less of a headache).

Plus, you eliminate any liability for not having put it together properly.

If Joe Homeowner puts the truck together on his own, then the NTSB is completely out of the picture and it's the state DMV and/or police who determine what it is and how it should be registered.

Just something I've learned over the past 5 years....

:D

[cdn_expedition_co]

Originally posted by Tawayama
You bothered because you saw a way to:
1. Make some money
2. Recoup the time/effort you went through to get your own trucks
3. Help another misguided LR-desperate newbie get their own dream truck
Not to mention you probably care too much (I know I do).


Yeah, OK. I did build in US$1000/vehicle in my reserve price. The whole thing seemed a good idea at the time, but NEVER again. :eek:

You'll sell them, but you're going to get a LOT of tire kickers.

You win the award for understatement of the year. And not just tire kickers, but complete wankers as well. Un-friggin-believeable.

I had people e-mailing me asking if I sold CKD kits and the only thing I ever did was post information and pics from SEMA on my site.

The bit that kills me, is the number of people writing and asking how to register the car in their state. Geez, just do a web search for "register assembled vehicle" and add your state name. Most of the DMV sites are online, the regulations are there. Friggin lazy-a** people :mad

EDIT: One thing you might consider is offering them in their dissasembled state. Make sure they know they're buying a dissasembled vehicle, but that it is enough parts for a complete vehicle that will run if assembled correctly.

Dude, I'm washing my hands. I figure whoever the whinger was that got the 110SW auction cancelled did me a HUGE favour. Now I'm thinking "do I want these people driving on the same roads/trails I use. God no. Once the auctions are down, or ended, I'll NEVER try that again. Too much headache, too little reward.

I take your point about selling them as "kits", but can you imagine the nightmare that would cause - I'd end up building them over the phone: for FREE :eek:

Just something I've learned over the past 5 years....

Dude I wish knew 5 days ago what I know now. :(

[Chris Cox]

Not trying to be a smart a**, but how do you only have $1000 profit built in on a truck that you are asking $46000 for? You can buy ROW spec 110's like you are offering for $27000 all day long. It must be costing you a hell of alot to get these things dis/reassembled and shipped.

Chris

[exmodlad]

hahhahaha....i knew this was going to happen Steve.....everyone has all the answers but no balls to do it........good on ya my friend.....

Gord

[Tawayama]

Originally posted by Chris Cox
Not trying to be a smart a**, but how do you only have $1000 profit built in on a truck that you are asking $46000 for? You can buy ROW spec 110's like you are offering for $27000 all day long. It must be costing you a hell of alot to get these things dis/reassembled and shipped.

Chris

Too late Chris, you already did it by just asking the question.

First off, if you've never dissasembled and then re-assembled a vehicle you have no idea what it takes, both financially and mentally. Doing your 300Tdi conversion doesn't count.

Second, you don't know what it took him to source the vehicles, find a broker, have them secured within a container and shipped over (not to mention the physical risk to the container, high seas, dropped from gantry, etc...).

Third, there is no way that you can say what he 'should' make in profit margin from selling these vehidles.

I don't go around questioning what everyone else charges for their product, either I agree with them and purchase, or I disagree with them and don't. If my doctor makes 50K from removing my diseased kidney and saves my life, I can't say that he got paid too much. If someone invents widget 'X', mortgages his house (twice) and then strikes it rich when widget 'X' becomes the fashion accesory of the millenium, how can I begrudge him his sucess and profit.

If Mr. Canadian Expedition Society (whom I've never met, but wish all the luck in his future endeavors), wants to import a few uncommon LR's to N. America, deal with the wankers and tire kickers and make a few bucks, then so be it.

I know I'll never buy another Defender, nor will I make another Defender as long as I live. I've had my fun twice now, and that was more than enough. But, if someone wants the thrill of a lifetime and buys one from him, thinks it's 'worth it' to shell out whatever it takes and does it, then great.

I just really hate it when the closet nay-sayers or the 'how-dare-you-charge-that-much-for-an-ROW-Defender-that-I-know-cost-you-XXX-ers' come around and are a PITA.

Sorry for the rant, I've just heard it all before and it still pisses me off.

I know it shouldn't but it does. Like I said, I care too much.

:(

[cdn_expedition_co]

Originally posted by Chris Cox
Not trying to be a smart a**, but how do you only have $1000 profit built in on a truck that you are asking $46000 for? You can buy ROW spec 110's like you are offering for $27000 all day long. It must be costing you a hell of alot to get these things dis/reassembled and shipped.

yep. buy it for US$27,000, dis-assemble for US$4500, ship it for US$2500, customs duties about $2500, re-assembly, US$4500, my US$1000. Total = $42,000. Add 10% of the advertised price which is to compensate for the discount EVERYONE wants as a starter to negotiatins. Damn if that doesn't all add up to the advertised price.

I'd heard that US schools were failing in teaching math. Didn't realise the problem was so widespread.

So smart a**, you writing your checque for $42,000? :grin

[cdn_expedition_co]

Originally posted by exmodlad
hahhahaha....i knew this was going to happen Steve.....everyone has all the answers but no balls to do it........good on ya my friend

Gord man, I should have talked to you before I posted the ads :confused Never in a million years did I think I'd get this much BS. I naiively figured a bunvjh of LR fans would see the ads, and say "sh*it, new diesel Defenders with like 100 miles for the same price as a 97 D90 with 30,000 miles - where do I get in line". I also figured that the average person knew how to circumvent the protectionist import rules. And that people understood the laws in their state. Man, am I an idiot :eek:

I've got people who can't get their heads around time zones calling me at all hours, and the ridiculous e-mails keep pouring in.

For those who aren't familiar with the rules that every lover of rare and exotic cars knows, here's a synopsis:


every state allows the registration of self build cars, in one form or another
self build cars are exempt from many DOT requirements, and do not have to carry DOT approval stickers because they are not built by a manufacturer
self build cars are generally exempt from EPA requirements (although most modern engines meet them anyway), even in CA where emissions laws are strictest. Worst case is you have to pass an emmissions test. No issue.
importation of auto parts is different than importing a kit (kits are purchased from auto manufacturer's who often must meet DOT and EPA requirements.


It takes about 20 minutes on Yahoo! to find the information, and a couple of calls to verify, but so many people keep talking out their a**es about something they know nothing about.

I can guarantee you, except for my own use and close friends, I will never, NEVER, do this again. Not for two, or even three times the cost price. I love Defenders, love driving them, and love sharing the experience with others, but I'm stepping back into the closet with this hobby.

[exmodlad]

Well Steve i have had considerable experiance dealing with a mostly uninformed market...but then let this be a valuable lesson and move on......your idea of a expedition company sounds most uplifting and the fact you have chosen Land Rovers to display this venture tells me you are the lover of the marquee....you know what it is, you want and are will to do the research and spend the time to do it....

Unlike most arm chair quarterbacks just want to sit back in there easy chair's, with there big can of beer and a pissy attitude, and think there in control....you really should pity them...as at least you have one of the nicest 110s i have seen...

next to mine of course...... :o)))) .....

At least you have a goal and are working to get there and all the rest only have dreams, that most will never get to see come true.

[Chris Cox]

Like I said, I wasn't trying to be a smart ass. And I have disassembled a Defender, so I do know what it takes to disassemble one. I was just questioning how there was only $1000 profit. The guy made the statement, and I just wanted to understand where he was coming from. Furthermore, he agreed with me that it was costing him alot to get them dis/re-assembled. Don't see how that made me a smart ass. Apologies if it seemed that way Steven, which is def. what I did not intend.

[dante18]

Steve, no reason to get so defensive. I appreciate your candor in setting the record straight. We here in the states are a little apprehensive about deals like this because we have seen many that are just plain phony. And I have owned a D-90 for more than a week, and a few other "exotics" that had to be re-assembled once they got here so I do understand what it takes. Once again I did not mean to dis you, just a little wary. Your auction did not have a few of these key details in it, maybe that is why you have received so many annoying responses.

[exmodlad]

Steve:
i bet your wondering ....if the whining ever ends.......don't hold your breath....

Hahahahaha........:o))))))

have a good day all...

[dante18]

Gord that was actually an apology.

[cdn_expedition_co]

Dante, Chris,

Apologies if it seems Ive been a bit gruff with you. I have been a bit defensive and irritable over the last couple days because of this whole Defender thing. I should point out that the cause of most of my problems have been eBay users, and not D-90 or LRX folks.

It's all over :grin I got the e-mail this morning:

eBay appreciates the fact that you chose to list your listing(s):

2453425603 NEW 2002 MY Land Rover Defender 110 Hard Top
2453424354 NEW 2002 MY Land Rover Defender 130 HCPU
2453170776 1985 Land Rover Defender 110 2 door Hardtop
2453149627 1985 Land Rover Defender 110 Soft Top
2453100248 NEW 2002 MY Land Rover Defender 90 CSW

with us. However, we have determined that your item is inappropriate for listing on eBay. Therefore, we have ended this listing(s) and all fees have been credited to your account.

[rover4x4]

why they do that?

[Mike Hippert]

Phillip, ebay does not take any risks. If someone says something bad about you or that you are not selling something 100% legal they shut you down. It has happened to a friend of mine a few times.

[rover4x4]

ahh..

[cdn_expedition_co]

Originally posted by rover4x4
why they do that?

To be fair to eBay, they only cancelled the 110 Station Wagon auction, but I had so many frivolous e-mails from eBay'ers that I wrote to eBay and told them about the other auctions for similar vehicles and suggested that they should cancel them too. Fees refunded, and no more e-mails from eBay'ers :grin