Driveshaft replacement

[Doug]

I just dropped the rear driveshaft in my 110. Wondering if now is a good time to upgrade. Anyone have any suggested vendors, mfgrs they'd like to recommend?

Thanks,

Doug

(Ahh -- it was a 12 inch rockwall in the middle of a sandy 40 degree twisting hillclimb in TruckHaven. Rear tire stopped cold and the driveshaft yoke gave way.)

[TDI Guy]

Tom Woods D-Shafts... they are beafy..

[mikeslandrover]

You broke a Salisbury rear shaft:ohmy
Those things are pretty indestructable,
You must have been really motoring:grin
What size tyres do you run?

[Doug]

The axle is Salisbury, not the prop shaft I believe.

255/85/16s.

I ordered the Tom Wood. Was less expensive than the stock replacement. Randy, they owe you one!!

Doug

[mikeslandrover]

It's a language thing!
You call 'em drive shafts, in GB we call 'em half shafts.
We both call prop shafts - prop shafts, that is as long as they run between the differential and transfer box.
Breaking a Salisbury axle (any bit) is still pretty impressive.:grin

[Buckon37s]

Mike,

What are you talking about?? The axle shaft in a Salisbury is the same junk as a regular axle. The R+P is beefy and the axle can be upgraded but the drive shaft and axle shaft are no different at all.

[Doug]

Definitely language. the 'part' I broke is between the diff and tcase!

Anyone you know run the McNamara locker on their Salisbury?

DW

[Doug]

Link to McNamara Salibury vacuum locker:

http://www.greatbasinrovers.com/diffs.html#mcsalisbury

[Glenn_Guinto]

A fellow D90 owner from NJ told me once that Tom Woods DS ships with a Tom Woods decal that reads... "My Shaft Is A Woody!" :grin

[rover4x4]

this is true.

[TDI Guy]

its true... ive seen them.. it almost makes you want to buy one just 4 the sticker lol

[Glenn_Guinto]

LOL Randy... I was thinking the same thing.... It was actually Dante that told me that back when we got together at the local Hooters for a few :toast

We should do that again soon!

[TDI Guy]

yeah... lol. he had it on his truck. I'm game for anything.

Randy

[mikeslandrover]

Originally posted by Buckon37s
Mike,

What are you talking about?? The axle shaft in a Salisbury is the same junk as a regular axle. The R+P is beefy and the axle can be upgraded but the drive shaft and axle shaft are no different at all.

Is This another language problem:confused
The shafts running from the diff to the wheel are a good bit thicker on my 110 with a Salisbury axle than they are on my 90 which has a standard Rover axle.
The prop shaft from the transfer box to the axle is the same thickness whatever the axle.
Maybe we need so,e sort of universal parts translator:? :hmm

[Buckon37s]

The shafts running from the diff to the wheel are a good bit thicker on my 110 with a Salisbury axle than they are on my 90 which has a standard Rover axle.

Nope no language barrier. The axle shafts in your Salisbury are the same diameter and spline count as the regular rover junk. 1.23 in 24 spline to be specific. They are VERY easy to break, actually, I just broke one typing this. :grin They do not neck down but other than that, all the same. I don't know what you are looking at that is smaller, you sure your not comparing it to a RAV4? Sorry, I had to. Nice big and strong R+P though, just surrounded by junk.

[mikeslandrover]

I'm looking at a big pile of 10 spline shafts. I collect them cos there so easy to break Although running nearly bald 7.50 x16 mud tyres in the mud usually stops 'em breaking;)

[Buckon37s]

Oh, you are looking at stuff we don't have here in the US. Yeah, that stuff is even smaller!!! I had that on my old 1990 Defender too, kind of.

[mikeslandrover]

Thank goodness that's sorted I was going to pull out shafts from the 110 incase they'd shrunk since the last time I looked at them. We regard the Salisbury axle as a top 'indestructable' swap for 90's over here in the U.K.:cool:

[Buckon37s]

We regard the Salisbury axle as a top 'indestructable' swap for 90's over here in the U.K

Without the bomb proof Rover Trax 35 spline upgrade, how is that indestructable at all?? What size tires are you guys running?

[mikeslandrover]

I run 'small' tyres and get a lot of stick for it. But my big pile of spare shafts stays big and my bin of broken shafts stays empty. Just watch I'll bust one on the next outing.
I run 7.50x16 Firestone Super All Tractions (S.A.T.s)
My mates run anything from this up to 36" Super Swampers, and 35" Simex Extreems, they bust half shafts, diffs, CV joints etc. etc. and/or pay big bucks for toughened beefed up gear.
They also do this to nearly new Land Rovers:rolleyes

[mikeslandrover]

There was supposed to be a picture of a defender in water over it's hood but things don't seem to be working out too well with posting pics?

[Buckon37s]

Sites having troubles, can't post right now, Chris is on top of it. Ok, it all makes sense now. :) Over here in Cali especially, 37's are small!

[mikeslandrover]

I just love driving real sneaky and getting almost everywhere the big wheeled ones get by careful choise of line. I only went to +2" suspension this summer. I also like being able to drive home again and not wait around for the tow truck.:grin

[chrisvonc]

Originally posted by mikeslandrover
There was supposed to be a picture of a defender in water over it's hood but things don't seem to be working out too well with posting pics?
http://www.d90.ecgn.net/forum/announcement.php?s=&forumid=6

[mikeslandrover]

Cor this is virtually real time!!!

[Doug]

Just got my 'Woody'. I didn't know it was going to be 'double cardon' -- but cool! I was going to drop it in in the AM, just want to see if there's other tweaks I need to do besides just R&R where the stock one was. I run a very mild 2 inch lift.... Advice?

(Woods is closed, tried calling them...)

DW

[Rick Carlisle]

Doug,

Just curious...how much did it run you?
thanks.

Rick

[Doug]

Rick, $379 including shipping. Was quoted $440 for a stock replacement at RN. Woody seemed the way to go!

Now, back to my original question:

I didn't know it was going to be 'double cardon' -- but cool! I was going to drop it in in the AM, just want to see if there's other tweaks I need to do besides just R&R where the stock one was. I run a very mild 2 inch lift.... Advice?

[Doug]

k, guys. I've installed the double cardon, and I now have a tremendous amount of 'diff rumble' when coasting. I had a bit before, but now it's magnified about 10 times! I've heard that double cardon eliminates rumble, but also heard it increases it. Latter in my case. I know it's relatively harmless, but anyone have suggestions for the cure?

Thanks,

Doug

[mikeslandrover]

That's strange I thought that that sort of joint was supposed to be a true constant velocity:confused
Is there any play anywhere else?
Backlash etc within tolerance. Don't for one minuite consider asking me how to adjust it properly, it's something I avoid, it needs more equipment that I possess.
:(

[scoloco]

if its got the double cardon on one end (tcase end) make sure you remember to rotate the diff so that the pinion is in line with the drive shaft (that u-joint has no angle).

[TDI Guy]

If you are running stock rear links, how the hell can you rotate the axle forward then? Doug, are you running stock rear links? If you had no problems with vibration and your lift with the OEM d-shaft, I would have had them make you a HD d-shaft but not a CV one...

[Doug]

1. I installed the TW driveshaft the way the stock one was installed -- telescopic extension at the tcase end. So the double cardon is at the diff end.

2. Stock rear links.

3. I drove the truck cold and the rumble was greatly diminished (cold gear oil), so seems like it may be tolerances in the diff itself after the gear oil comes to temp. I almost think the double cardon is delivering LESS stress to the diff when coasting/freewheeling and thus allowing MORE rumble....

4. I definitely had rumble, but not very noticible, with the stock shaft. Mike Smith at ECR says this is always the case with lifted 110s and recommended double-cardon as a solution.

5. I'll talk to Tom Woods on Monday AM, of course.

Doug

[TDI Guy]

Doug, you have the shaft backwards. :eek: The double cardon end should be on the t-case side ONLY. Flip it ASAP.

Randy

[Doug]

I try it and let you know if things change!

Doug

[Doug]

He shoots, he scores! Randy, I owe you a beer -- I've owned this truck for 2 1/2 years and the drive train is now smoother than it ever was. Do you think the stock driveshaft has been in backwards all this time? I looked in my shop manual but it doesn't show a pic of the installed shaft...

Thanks again!

Best,

Doug

[DJ Menasco]

OUCH! That could have turned out bad!:eek: While I've never owned a 110 I'd be willing to bet that the stock shaft didn't have a CV at either end and just your standard u-joints and yokes. Any vibrations you were experiencing was probably due to a change in suspension or tire/wheel combos. Another save by the D90 list!

[TDI Guy]

I agree with DJ. I doubt it maters with a standard d-shaft since it is balanced either way. I bet the vibs were from the lift. Doug, Glad I can help.

[mikeslandrover]

My 110 has a standard drive shaft +1" lift, 150,000 miles on the clock and no rumbles. Not much offroading either, it's the long range expedition truck.
Africa is beckoning this summer!:grin
Standard the sliding joint goes at the transfer box end.

[Shearpin]

Breathing new life into a long dead post.... I have a 110 with a 3" Old Man lift. I recently installed the springs and started a downward spiral into debt. I have Rovertracks rear castor correction arms, Rovertym front arms, replaced the front drive-shaft with a Tom Wood double cardon. All in an effort to eliminate vibration.

The Tom Woods front douuble cardon was the latest addition and solved most of my vibration issues. I am still chasing some from the rear. Doug, I wasn't clear from your post if you put the original drive shaft back on in the proper orientation or stuck with the double cardon to solve your issues. I have been advised that the double cardon isn't applicable to my situation without rotating the diff flange upward - the salisbury rear yoke runs very flat. Anyone running one in this application with success?

Regarding the parts installed - very happy with the workmanship. Rovertracks rear arms are almost to elegant for the underside of the 110. The Rovertym front are all heft and brute force. The truck is smooth, steers and breaks well..... Gotta have cool Sh@*t...

Henry
www.4x4freedom.com