How much winch?

[howellm70]

I'm looking to get a winch for my 90 and there are great deals on the Warn M8000 going on right now (I've seen it as low as $400). My only concern is whether this is enough winch for the vehicle. Thoughts?

Cheers,
Mike

[wicks]

Prolly fine unless you are lifting the vehicle. But a Superwinch is better. Sometimes people have used ones for sale. Try eBay.

[chrisvonc]

Ours had a M8000 and it did fine the few times we used it. I replaced it with a 9000 though when I had to get a new one.

[dmarchand]

You'll be fine with the 8000. Just get a snatch block or two to help ease the load and let it perform better.

[Buckon37s]

A winch to be safe needs to twice the fully loaded vehicle weight, including gear and bolt ons. That means 9000, even 9500. Now, you can get away with less with snatch blocks and or not being very stuck. Now, superwinch better than warn? Uhh, let me check, um, no. :stick

[rover4x4]

uh oh

[snuffer]

Mike, I have a Warn 9000, it gets a lot of use, if I replace it I will go up to at least 9500, and I would give the worm drive Superwinch a good look before I buy.

[howellm70]

Thanks for the advice. I'll look into superwinches for comparison. For those of you who think they're superior to warn I've gotta ask why - is it just because of the Husky worm drives?

[rover4x4]

i think thats why most people like them

[Buckon37s]

Part Number:
47550 12V DC, Roller Fairlead

Rated Line Pull:
9500 lbs. (4309 kgs.) single-line

Motor:
4.6 hp/3.43 kw, Series Wound

Control:
Remote switch, 12' (3.7m) lead

Gear Train:
3-Stage Planetary

Gear Ratio:
156:1

Lubrication:
Molylube #1 or Aeroshell #17

Clutch (freespooling):
Sliding Ring Gear

Brake:
Automatic Direct Drive Cone

Drum Diameter/Length:
2.5"/9.0" (6.4cm/23cm)

Weight:
86 lbs. (39 kgs.)

Wire Rope:
125' 5/16" diameter (38m, 8mm diameter)

Replacement wire rope:
PN 25987

Fairlead:
Roller

Remote Control:
Included

Recommended Battery:
650 CCA minimum for winching

Battery Leads:
2 gauge, 72" (1.83m)

Finish:
Argent Powder Coat

Nuts/Bolts:
PN 37829

Warranty:
Limited Lifetime


HS9500i 12V DC Performance Specifications:



Line Pull
lbs. (kgs.)
Line Speed
Ft./Min (m/min)
Motor
Current
Pull by layer
layer/lbs. (kgs.)



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

0
62.0 (18.90)
67 amps
1/9500 (4309)

2000 (907)
16.3 (4.97)
160 amps
2/8650 (3924)

4000 (1814)
11.8 (3.60) )
230 amps
3/7920 (3593)

6000 (2722)
9.31 (2.84)
305 amps
4/7400 (3357)

8000 (3629)
7.59 (2.31)
370 amps
5/6940 (3148)

9500 (4309)
6.67 (2.03)
425 amps

Above specs are based on the first layer of the drum.



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[Abrooks]

Just get the biggest one you can afford -- when you're stuck on the trial at 2am in a loaded truck and you're by yourself and it's sleeting and you can't find the snatch block because it's back at camp, you don't want to have to say "damn, I wish I'd coughed up that extra $100." Skimp on the stereo, don't skimp on the things that may save your butt.

Superwinch's have a knack for burning out solenoids, warns seem to be slightly better, but not great either.

Tony

[Craigd]

THe latest issue of Four wheeler had a pretty good article about winching and how to calculate how much winch you need depending on ground goo and how deep your vehicle. It also demonstrated techinques for winching around trees and such.

[tbmcneill]

How much winch will depend a lot on who you talk to. Industry standard says 1.5 times loaded vehicle weight.

IMHO, the Warn 8274-50 is the best winch ever made. Its rated at 8k lbs, is serviceable, has an external brake (read: can use plasma rope without worry of frying it & you can't wear the brake out), can easily hold 125' of 3/8th cable (or rope) & is among the fastest of the fast winches.

the Husky's are good, but are way too slow.

If weight is a big concern or you don't have much space, go with a planetary .... though, I try to avoid them. Worm drives (huskys) and spur gears (8274) are just more durable than planetarys will ever be.
T

[artm]

I was just given an ARB and always liked the Husky. Am I out of luck? I reall reading way back that it can only hold planetaries.

[Art Vigil]

I have to cast my vote for Warn also, soley based on my experience with my X-9 which I toasted after about 5 years of ahem...'moderate' :rolleyes use.

[TDI Guy]

I have a 8274-50 from the 70's on my series truck and its a tank. You cant kill it.


Randy

[wicks]

If you want a fast one get the Husky 8. If you want to winch semi trucks out of the grand canyon, get a 10.

Superwinch has been the choice of Land Rover all the years before they were taken over by foreigners. If that's not enough, John Lee has studied the differences to excess...

https://www.expeditionexchange.com/superwinch/

[DJ Menasco]

The first LR Camel Trophy event in 1981 sported the RR with a 8274 Warn, not Superwinch. Even with this truth, the first winch for a Land Rover was probably the Capstan or Koenig.

[tbmcneill]

I was just given an ARB and always liked the Husky. Am I out of luck? I reall reading way back that it can only hold planetaries.

You can fit an 8274 with 1.5" spacers (I still have set laying around ... you can have them for shipping + box).

T

[wicks]

OK well if we are going to start talking about "proof" or high truths, may I present some evidence...

Most people don't realize that Superwinch (makers of the Husky winch) are the same outfit as Fairey, who made the overdrives for series trucks also.

Yes DJ on CT - they used WARNS on accident a couple of times. I'm talking about factory Land Rover offerings spanning many years, starting with (yes ) Koenig and capstan-style winches, of SUPERWINCH (FAIREY) manufacture, starting in the 1940s and 50s, then of course being the first electric winch offered by Land Rover as a factory option starting with the Series II, IIA and then III.

The legacy of Superwinch and Land Rover is indisputable.

Wicks

ps - sorry so heady, but one of those chaps who still thinks in gil sans.

[Mike Hippert]

Hey Wicks whats the capacity of the winch in that picture? Any more info on it? I have been thinking of going old school for my winch and putting a PTO up front.
Thanks!

[Troys]

Before I installed a winch on my truck I asked alot of people what they thought about their winches. Being the typical D90 owner I wanted the biggest and best.... I ended up getting a Warn 8274-50. It is and was a very nice unit. My probelm with it after I got it was that it far more winch than I would ever need. And the reported weight of 110 pounds is inaccurately low and does not include the fair lead or cable. Add those and you get complete set up for of just over 135 pounds. Not to bad for the workhorse that it is. Needless to say I sold it before I ever installed it. I continued my seach and got hooked on a S9000 Superwinch. Only after two friends burned up the motors in their XD 9500i's. Maybe its the cyclist coming out in me but my S9000 with sythetic cable and aluminum fairlead wieghs just under 70 pounds and has worked flawlessly ever since.

Troy

[mdmccallum]

First, I am no authority on this subject. I have only used my winch to pull others out to this point. However, I just read an article on the Mile Marker winch that the military is using. This winch is powered by the power steering as opposed to the battery. Therefore no need to upgrade the battery and altenator. The difference is that the engine must be running. A Range Rover just won a competition in Africa which measures the shortest distance traveled between points as opposed to time. The Rangy used a mile marker winch. Do any of you guys have any experience with these winches?

[Buckon37s]

The legacy of Superwinch and Land Rover is indisputable.

This is one of those topics where there will be major differences in opinion and there really is no right answer as each has superior and inferior qualities. What I really want to know is WTF a relationship with Rover means to any of this. The one thing that I just plain don't understand is rover owners need to have genuine rover junk. There is nothing like this anywhere else in offroad rec. You don't see people spending massive amounts of money trying to keep all "jeep" or all "Toyota". No, you pull that crap out and run MOG axles or Dana 60's. Just cause rover had a superwinch means nothing other than they were the cheapest bid. Rover has made some pretty stupid design decisions just like all other auto manufacturers. The argument that they used one company over another is entirely irrelevant. A little off topic rant for you all ;)

[wicks]

Rover has historically cut corners on non "mission critical" components, in order to focus dollars and attention in the important bits.

I don't agree with overall degradation of LR products and their design choices because the statistics don't agree with it. Plus I am a proud owner of course.

[wicks]

Michael, I like the idea of an old winch up there. You'd have to search around and see what's lying around, maybe have to rebuild one.

If you are going to get your hands on a old winch though, they don't have anything like the power of recent ones. Triple-blocking and ramping will become part of your ordinary winching process...

[benh]

I will have to throw my 2 cents in and vote the Husky. After spending much of my time wheeling in the mud down in Texas, you do quite a bit of winching. Prior to my d-90 I had a warn on my Yukon, and the Husky (on my d-90) has since out preformed my warn in all aspects.

[Mike Hippert]

I have talked to a couple people I know and they told me to find an old PTO (Power Take Off from the T-case) because thats what they run. They can snap cables without even slowing the winch down so I don't have to worry about the winch being the weak point.

I have an old PTO winch and it looks exactly like the PTO winch in that picture. You can tell the one in your pic is PTO by the round bump coming out of the bottom of the right side. If you have any info on that pic it would help allot.
Thanks

[artm]

So...anyone know if an ARB can take a Superwinch/Husky? John Lee says no.

If not I may have a brand new ARB for sale soon! In which case, which bumpers take a Superwinch?

[Mike Hippert]

I think they fit in the Rovers North bumper, RN also sells Husky winches so you might give them a call to see what else will work.

[benh]

Michael is right, the Rovers North fits the Husky. Great design and really well built

[mikeslandrover]

I think the winch in the posted picture might be a fairy 5000 or something very similar. PTO winches are very cool as long as the engine is running, but then I don't think you could winch very far on just battery power alone.
A friend of mile runs a mile marker, slow but absolutely no overrun:cool: and it can pull all day, ideal for an extreem winch competition, synthetic rope is also very:cool: much easier to handle for the poor old "navigator/winch man" who spends most of the time hauling winch cables and tackle around the place.

[Joe P]

SG will also hold a Husky

[wicks]

Michael, full info on that unit is here: http://www.fourfold.org/LR_FAQ/Series/MANUAL_LRDrumwinch_6920.html

I have the RN winch bumer as well with my Husky and it is great. If I had my druthers I'd have the actual Superwinch bumper. The Mantec one is good also (fits the Husky) and continues to appear the most like a stock bumper which is great. The SG stuff looks like rally car stuff if you like that style. I also like the removeability of the brush bar on the RN/Superwinch/Mantec configuration.

[Quimbola]

Why doesn't somebody start a poll for what winch there using!! I would, but I don't have one, nor do I know all the options out there. ANYONE?

[DJ Menasco]

"they used WARNS on accident a couple of times."

How excactly was it an accident? Did someboyd just happen to drop five Warn 8274-50's on those Range Rovers? They didn't stop using them after 81', they were also utilized on the Defender 110 Ambulance in prior events and all other vehicles to 1989. I hardly believe that was an accident.


"I'm talking about factory Land Rover offerings spanning many years, starting with (yes ) Koenig and capstan-style winches, of SUPERWINCH (FAIREY) manufacture"


Keonig (or Keonig Iron Works for Houston Texas) IS and WAS not of Fairey manufacture. Fairey sold to Superwinch. Additionally, the capstan-style of winches also included, but are not limited to, the Capstan from Aeroparts Engineering Co, UK. As you can see, there were other winches that served the LR Series II, IIa, and III. The superwinch was just another flavor LR had to pick from.


"The legacy of Superwinch and Land Rover is indisputable."


The legacy is infact disputable. So is the Warn! Warn is now the primary winch sold under Land Rover, so one could arguably state that "The legacy of Warn and Land Rover is indisputable."
I don't think tossing a blanket statment like that is predicated on the all the facts, just opinion.


DJ

[wicks]

In no other vehicle forum would we find such lively, spirited debates on trivial issues. I love d-90.com. ;)

leg·a·cy
n. pl. leg·a·cies
1. Money or property bequeathed to another by will.
2. Something handed down from an ancestor or a predecessor or from the past: a legacy of religious freedom. See Synonyms at heritage.

[snuffer]

Hey Mike, look what you started! You never know what is gonna trip someones trigger do ya. With Warn and Superwinch both selling probably hundreds of thousands of winches, either one is going to do the job at hand. Something to consider is if you use a synthetic winch rope, the winches with planetary gears get pretty hot at the drum when winching in and they get extremely hot when winching out.
My synthetic winch rope has shown some sings of melting. Warn and Ramsey,(have we seen that name thrown into the fray yet?) are comming out with a synthetic rope with the first Xnumber of feet that is not of the type that will melt woven into the normal synthetic stuff, to solve this problem. $$$

[Buckon37s]

. Something handed down from an ancestor or a predecessor or from the past: a legacy of religious freedom. See Synonyms at heritage.

Guys seriously, this is all very informative, but it has absolutely nothing to do with which winch is better. I mean think about this clearly for one second, Rover has a legacy with LUCAS as well.:nono

[DJ Menasco]

Nice job Merriam Webster! ;) Alright, alright, I'll abandon this petty squabble, but I'm going out with a bang! Bequeath this Wicks :evilfinge Ahhh, Just kidding.

By the way, I DID learn something so it wasn't a conversation in vain. I didn't know that Superwinch bought out Fairey & they produced the first electric winch for LR.

DJ

[wicks]

All good in the house.

Oh, and Randy, if you had your synthetic line on a Superwinch, it wouldn't melt because of the worm gear drive and where the motor is.

I'm sure WARN and the others will catch up on that front soon. ;)

[scoloco]

I'll only comment that around here I see primarily Warns, a couple Ramseys and I have yet to see a superwinch/husky on the trails. Whether that makes them better, I dunno.

[snuffer]

Right Wicks, thats why in my earlier post in this thread I said "I would give the worm drive Superwinch a good look before I buy"
I know its a little hard to keep up with who said what.

[flippedrover]

Slightly off topic here but what synthetic line would ya'll recomend? I'd ordered a Master Pull but have yet to get it after more than a month of waiting.

[snuffer]

Tyler, try Mark at OKOffroad.com. He has them in stock and ready to go and, I don't shop a lot but, maybe the best prices.

[flippedrover]

Thanks. I'll look him up.